Why?
SKR-7 (and SKR-1) needs to go to 5.0.
It was already the strongest coastal in the game before the HE changes, now it is an absolute unstoppable terror. Made playing the event for Baden absolutely miserable.
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I’d like to see the Su25SM3 BR go to 11.3 in SB.
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Kinda amazing changes!
The only one I have a problem with is the Roland going down to 9.7, while the FlakRakPz and American Roland are still 10.3. They’re identical vehicles, Gaijin!
I also am not a huge fan of many of the jets going down, this will only compress early jets. But it may end up being positive.
Also unsure about the Puma moving up. It will handle 3.7 fine but that’s stretching it especially when other wheeled vehicles with comparable firepower are at much lower BR.
Additionally, the T-34s moving up are unjustified. They’ll do alright, but the 1941s are directly worse than the 1942s and Es.
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Read further and saw the m551(76) is going to 7.0 and now I’m kinda disappointed in the changes😔
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I agree with the changes, all are welcome.
Now im going leave few suggestions for RB only.
(SPz LG3 12-3) move from 6.7 to 6.3 = This tank is extremly bad, long reload, poor post pen and mediocre movility is ridiculous he stay in 6.7 when you have by far better options in low BRs. For example Jagdpanzer 90 in 6.3 with faster reload and movilty. In another trees you cand find faster and more powerfull HEAT slingers in 6.0 , so is senseless 6.7 for this crap tank.
(ARL 44) move from 5.3 to 5.0 = Big turret with poor armor and bad movility plus reload speed.
(M-51) move from 6.0 to 6.3 = Excellent medium tank with a powerfull 105 mm gun. There is not a single reason for leave that monster in 6.0, now is perferming extremly well and WW2 tanks need more decompression.
(VK 45.01 P) move from 5.3 to 5.0 = Much worse Tiger, you cant use angle tactic because the 80mm weak spots in the frontal armor and the turret speed is much much worse and even is lower in foward speed giving worse movility than the tech tree variant.The only good is his reverse but thats all.
This tank should be lowered to 5.0 with all his drawbacks and very low number, in 5.0 is far for be a problem for the gameplay.
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I have it, I love it, but let’s be honest. It is too good for 6.7
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oh hey I recall yall doing this a couple years ago and then undoing it cause they just slapped everything below them, seems yall never learn do ya
AMX going to 10.7 is fair tho I think at the lowest the A-10s and Su-25s (basic one and the K) should be this, especially the A-6E with its way larger guided bomb payload
The G.91Y and YS should also move down if they late sabers are should be 9.0 honestly
Also where is the 2S38s place on this list? it has been undertiered since it was added, it is a better overall vehicle than the OTOMATIC and HSTVL at an absurdly low BR
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Any real reason for moving the AMX to 10.7 other than your hate for Italy? Yet su-25 didn’t go up to 10.3. And A-10A Late is at 10.3 with 4 aim-9ls, although it does have much worse flight performance, doesn’t need to move up.
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The only difference between the Roland 1 and the FlaRakPz and XM975 is the Roland 1 has no track radar but can still track with IRST. They should all be at the same BR.
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The French Roland has almost no elevation, so it cannot target high flying targets
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My suggestions
MH-60L DAP:
11.3-> 11.0
OR
AH-60:
11.3 → 11.7
These two black hawks are not equal in any capacity, the AH-60 is better in every single way.
AH-64D:
11.7-> 11.3
How is this better that the Israeli Saraph at 11.3? The Saraph has more countermeasures and built in MAW.
AGS:
Give M900 (and possibly to 11.3)
A 105mm round with less than 400mm pen facing top tier mbts is not fun.
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Can we have the Char 25t moved back down to 7.7? It has no place at 8.0:
AMX-50 (TO90/930) whilst we’re at it too!
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Simulator BRs that need addressing:
AJ-37: 10.7 - 9.7. Only has 2x 9Js and bombs, it’s effectively an F-105D but worse for sim.
Vaotour II: 9.0 - 8.7.
Super Etendard: 10.0 - 9.7.
Mirage 3E: 10.7 - 10.3.
Mirage 3C: 10.3 - 10.0.
Mirage F-1Cs: 11.0 - 11.3.
Tornado IDS [all]: 11.3 - 11.0.
Q-5A: 10.3 - 9.3. Q-5 early is 9.3, Q-5A is effectively identical.
Q-5L: 10.7 - 9.3. No flares, effectively the same as a Q-5A for air sim.
F-1: 10.3 - 10.0.
Buccaneer S2B: 10.3 - 10.0.
Su-25T: 11.3 - 11.0.
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So, are all Rolands being moved down to 9.7 or is it just the french Roland?
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they arent, the french radar is quite a bit worse
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So Italy can’t have a nice not uptiered aircraft for more than two patch? very nice.
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none of them should have changed, the rule with these BR changes is ‘how can we help vehicles suffering from BR compression without fixing BR compression’
Move the damn F-104 back up to 9.7
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AMX has been OP since release. 10.7 is deserved as much as I won’t be able to use it in ground anymore.
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AUBL 74/HVG 8.0 > 7.0
A vehicle that only fires a 60mm APFSDS shell that has lower penetration than even the APDS of the M41 walker bulldog with armor that cannot even withstand 7.62mm machineguns from the front is unacceptable. Its shell does almost no damage, its reload is too slow to justify said damage and the massive driver hatch gun deadzone is a huge detriment to this vehicle which is roughly on par with the M551/76 (trading some additional protection for a little more mobility)
EBR 1963 7.7 > 7.0
Honestly I don’t know why it is at such a high BR. It is one of the slowest wheeled light tanks the game with a HEAT shell that only has 320mm of penetration, 8.7 seconds of reload and very mediocre gun handling. It is also pretty big and long making it an even easier target and when you take into consideration its ammo placement, a shot in the massive hull is essentially a guaranteed kill. The cloeset vehicle you can compare it to is the 6.3 Eland 90 which has the same gun on a similar platform which trades worse mobility and armor for increased survivability because of the empty space in the center of the vehicle.
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Vautour IIN (Israel) Addition of Shafrir 2 AAM
The Vautour IIN is a subsonic bomber in the world of supersonic attackers. It will never manage to get to a base first because either a lower BR attacker will airspawn will manage to reach it first or a supersonic attacker that spawned with you simply has higher top speed and acceleration. Giving it the Shafrir 2 missile will let it play the role of an interceptor, giving it a noteable increase in firepower but with very limited range. The Shafrir 2 may be potent but the really bad platform it will be placed on will balance out its performance.
The Shafrir 2 is an iconic historical loadout of the Vautour IIN in Israeli service and it’s really a shame it’s not currently available
Also I know some people might not like this at all but hear me out…
Yak-38M 9.3 > 10.3, Addition of R-60M missile
If you’ve played the Yak-38M before you will know how poorly it performs as well as how insanely overpowered it is at the same time. Having the ability to face 8.3 jets with x4 R60 missiles is just crazy but the aircraft has such poor flight performance where it’s dead in the water if anyone gets on your tail. Giving it the R-60M and moving it to 10.3 will balance out its poor flight performance with the upgraded weapon kit, allowing for more versatile attack angles compared to just directly rear aspect. Additionally the lack of built in countermeasures will be a worthy tradeoff for the upgrade in firepower since it will have to rely on its relatively high speed compared to other all aspect missile slingers in this battle rating in boom and zoom style attacks to survive.
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