Panavia Tornado (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion

[Morvran]

@Spil1tia-psn

out of curiosity what role did britian play in the plane irl?

The RAF operated ones. Not a lot. They were a short-term stop gap between Meteor, Venom, Vampire, etc and the Hunter.

RAAF ones though got Rolls Royce Engines and 30mm ADEN canon

[Stockholm_Blend]

@Spil1tia-psn

this is likely whats going on with the tornado gr1 there are not enough players playing it to significantly change its statistics and thus at 11.7 it stays.

Gaijin could use statistics of Tornado IDS WTD61 instead, but they didn’t. The only difference between them is the engine and guided A2G like Paveway.

But somehow Gaijin is using F-4J/S’s statistics to balance F-4J(UK) even though the British version is way inferior. Because Gaijin thinks that it is the same F-4J with the same fuselage.

Man, I dislikes those double standarding by Gaijin all over the damn game.

it is extremely bizarre to see that Tornado GR.1 should maintain higher BR than SUPERIOR versions on 11.3 because of nothing but silly A2G ordinances, but F-4J/S didn’t got higher BR than inferior F-4J(UK).

@Spil1tia-psn

out of curiosity what role did britian play in the plane irl?

We bought a small batch of F-86 from Canada as a stop-gap and sent them to Italy after that.
With some F-84 from the US.

If we hadn’t bought sabre, there might be no CL-13 on Italy TT too.

[Spil1tia-psn]

@Stockholm_Blend

But somehow Gaijin is using F-4J/S’s statistics to balance F-4J(UK) even though the British version is way inferior. Because Gaijin thinks that it is the same F-4J with the same fuselage.

i have a theory (that has no actual evidence beyond it sort-of makes sense if you think about it) that the statistics gaijin uses to determine efficiency is not actually things like winrate or kills perspawn ect but primarily on rp and sl rewards. i think this might be the case because high tier premiums dont often go down in br as people take bombs in them more frequently which causes there rewards to still be high even when accounting for the premium bonuses. so essentially i think that because the f4juk is good enough as a bomber so its rp and sl rewards are high enough to match the other phantoms at its br and gaijin therefore dosent downtier it.

[Morvran]

@Spil1tia-psn

so essentially i think that because the f4juk is good enough as a bomber so its rp and sl rewards are high enough to match the other phantoms at its br and gaijin therefore dosent downtier it.

US F4 gets Napalm, UK one doesnt. US one will get base kills far more often

[Spil1tia-psn]

the last time i played around that tier most of the bombing f4s i saw were still carrying regular bombs and most of the time they die shortly after getting the first base so it doubt that affects the stats much.

[Flame2512]

Hopefully if BOL gets fixed the F.3 will be a bit more fun to play:

It's time for Gaijin to finally reverse the ahistorical nerf to BOL countermeasures [Poll]

With the Leviathans Update introducing Imaging Infrared (IIR) anti-aircraft missiles in the form of IRIS-T and AIM-9X it is time for the Gaijin to revert the ahistorical nerfs that they made to BOL countermeasures and restore their effectiveness to at least pre-nerf levels. poll Wait what on earth are BOL countermeasures? BOL is a type of countermeasures (chaff / flare) dispenser which fits into the rear of a missile launch rail, allowing a large number of countermeasures to be carried in space…

[Morvran]

Worth a try

Tornado Gr1 - Mk103 Engines

As it currently stands within War Thunder, there are 8 Tornado IDS aircraft. 3 at 11.3, 4 at 11.7 and 1 at 12.3. 7 of them have the Mk103 engine. Only one of them has the weaker Mk101 engine. The Tornado Gr1 located in the British TT. The official reason for this is to create a “sense of progression” between the Tornado Gr1 and the Tornado Gr4 Which quite frankly, is a rather insane logic given that it hasn’t been applied to a single other TT. Notably Italy. Located within the Italian TT ar…

[Stockholm_Blend]

Who would hate ‘Tonka getting a new engine’?

XD

[luque13]

Well if it gets a new engine it has to go up in BR 13.0!

[Tr0lski]

Also, do the mk101 engines still not have full capability in game?

[Morvran]

I have no idea

[Morvran]

So with more things getting Phimat, fingers crossed the F3s get them this major too. F3 Late definetly needs them

[MatrixRupture]

Harrier gr.3???

[Morvran]

It would be useful, but niche given its main beenfit is GRB and we have no 9.7 lineup.

F3 has to deal with ARH where Large cahff would be really useful

[MatrixRupture]

No I agree, with the F.3 getting its radar performance halved this update it absolutely needs it.

[Tr0lski]

Well I don’t have it yet so I don’t see spaded stats

[Stockholm_Blend]

Ah, after IRIS-T has shown up with AIM-120C-5 for the next update

Feels quite a bit sad about no sign of ASRAAM yet

Also, awaiting Tornado F.3 Super-Late with ASRAAM/AIM-120C-5 combo at 14.0 against F-15E
and Tornado GR.4 Late with ASRAAM at reasonable low BR in near future

Even though that I might need to grind ruthless stock all over again, still 2x ASRAAM might works great against those F-15 gangs for sure XD

[Kobes-Kamov]

IRIS-T is only limited to ground launched versions at the moment

We will see ASRAAM come when the air launched IRIS-T is added most likely

The Tornado GR.4 has HMS, so giving it ASRAAM would essentially make a 10km area infront of the aircraft where everything dies. That would raise its BR a lot.

[FlyingOstridge]

@Stockholm_Blend

F.3 Super-Late with ASRAAM/AIM-120C-5 combo

Hopefully Gaijin sees sense and just calls it the FSP

[Morvran]

Then we still need the WSU too :P