there are a handfull of su22s with only 12 flares at the same air rb brs as ones with 200+
and they are also 11.0 with 6x All-aspect IR missiles whilst being supersonic. They literally cannot go any lower without being broken OP or loosing the R-60Ms.
The one with more CMs could go higher, but does it have ths specs for it?
To me thats a compression issue, like the Harrier Gr1 with 0 CMs vs AV-8C/Harrier Gr3 with 60 CMs vs AV-8A/AV-8S with 240 CMs all at the same BR.
But they arent 100% identical. Tornado has the Same bombs (for all intent and purposes), same missiles, same FM (bar the GR1 with its nerfed engines), same CMs. Not a single difference of import to ARB
i disagree
So Su-22 with 6x R-60M vs Jaguar Gr1A with 2x Aim-9Gs (which has been routinely denied its Aim-9Ls) is fair?
Definetly no bias
a4b and a4e early are at the same br when one has cms and the other dosent
Again, looks like a compression issue. Its lower in SB and lower in GRB, but probably stuck at 8.7 in ARB and cannot go down to 8.3 because it might be too strong or might have just been missed.
Still different though, It would be like the Israeli A-4E being 8.7 and the US A-4E being 9.0 for no apparent reason
Cl13 mk4 is a higher br than the f86a5 despite being the same airplane
Laughs in KH-38 and nerf of NATO NERA armour
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Yes, because of a major American skill issue.
As a joke, if the USA bought Tornado IDS and named it somewhat similar to A-11. Their Tornado GR.1 must be on 11.0BR. while ours will be going to await further nerf from 11.7 to 12.0. :/
It isn’t the same plane because CL-13 Mk.4 is a Canadian-built F-86E, not an F-86A.
F-86E lost the leading-edge slat from F-86A, but it is compensated by the all-control tail.
So… on gameplay side, we could say that it is a Canadian-built British version of F-86A, though. :/
By the way, either CL-13 Mk.4 or F-86A-5 isn’t a strike aircraft.
in game they are the same, the differences are only visual.
the difference in skill level between the average player is non existent, people only say things like this because they want to feel superior to others for playing a different tech tree there is zero actual evidence that the average us main is any worse than the average italy main if you still believe this to be the case i really dont know what to tell you.
the actual reason its at a higher br is due to the fact significantly less people play the cl than the a5 italy than america meaning that its statistics change less and therefore gaijin dosent feel the need to change it (the amount of people playing the cl is low enough that a group of players once spammed out the plane for a few hundred games each and managed to get gaijin to move its br up due to that although they never went through with the change) this is likely whats going on with the tornado gr1 there are not enough players playing it to significantly change its statistics and thus at 11.7 it stays.
out of curiosity what role did britian play in the plane irl?
The RAF operated ones. Not a lot. They were a short-term stop gap between Meteor, Venom, Vampire, etc and the Hunter.
RAAF ones though got Rolls Royce Engines and 30mm ADEN canon
Gaijin could use statistics of Tornado IDS WTD61 instead, but they didn’t. The only difference between them is the engine and guided A2G like Paveway.
But somehow Gaijin is using F-4J/S’s statistics to balance F-4J(UK) even though the British version is way inferior. Because Gaijin thinks that it is the same F-4J with the same fuselage.
Man, I dislikes those double standarding by Gaijin all over the damn game.
it is extremely bizarre to see that Tornado GR.1 should maintain higher BR than SUPERIOR versions on 11.3 because of nothing but silly A2G ordinances, but F-4J/S didn’t got higher BR than inferior F-4J(UK).
We bought a small batch of F-86 from Canada as a stop-gap and sent them to Italy after that.
With some F-84 from the US.
If we hadn’t bought sabre, there might be no CL-13 on Italy TT too.
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i have a theory (that has no actual evidence beyond it sort-of makes sense if you think about it) that the statistics gaijin uses to determine efficiency is not actually things like winrate or kills perspawn ect but primarily on rp and sl rewards. i think this might be the case because high tier premiums dont often go down in br as people take bombs in them more frequently which causes there rewards to still be high even when accounting for the premium bonuses. so essentially i think that because the f4juk is good enough as a bomber so its rp and sl rewards are high enough to match the other phantoms at its br and gaijin therefore dosent downtier it.
US F4 gets Napalm, UK one doesnt. US one will get base kills far more often
the last time i played around that tier most of the bombing f4s i saw were still carrying regular bombs and most of the time they die shortly after getting the first base so it doubt that affects the stats much.
Hopefully if BOL gets fixed the F.3 will be a bit more fun to play:
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Worth a try
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Who would hate ‘Tonka getting a new engine’?
XD
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Well if it gets a new engine it has to go up in BR 13.0!