I think most of us would agree that less is better when it comes to AI. But I suppose if you did the research yourself and fact checked for errors, it’s OK.
On that note, many of the images aren’t even of the actual tank. A lot of them are of shoddy mock-ups made for display purposes. This is a very bad look for the credibility of this post since the Tank Encyclopedia article cited discusses the very dubious nature of these “surviving” Ni tanks.
Afaik, there isn’t any photos of actual Odesas with anything beyond machine guns. I wouldn’t discount the claim that some were more heavily armed, but it’s hard to say how these weapons were fitted. This would likely prevents any viable version from being modeled in-game for the time being.
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what is that what am i looking at +1 ?
As there is very little evidence that these vehicles were ever armed with anything outside of DT machine guns, I voted no, though it is also due to the use of AI and the low-quality images. Advice for future posts: never use AI. It’s easy to spot, reads terribly, and discredits any actual research you did. It takes longer to write it yourself, but it should always be done that way. Think of it like an academic paper. You wouldn’t use AI for that, so you shouldn’t here.
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All the pictures I provided show the different variants of the Ni-1. As I mentioned in the post no tank was exactly the same.
These are all display mock-ups. The only real ones in the post are armed with exclusively DTs.
Andddd you are wrong.
here is proof that that version actually existed
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multiple sources state that the NI-1 was armed with more than a machine gun, many of the tanks that were made were equipped with stolen romanian and german cannons
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" Armament was varied to whatever was on hand during the siege. The first model produced used a modified T-26 tank turret, with a Degtyaryov machine gun in place of the 45mm gun that the T-26 carried. It’s possible that turrets from the T-37A tank and T-38 tank were used, but these might have been improvised turrets instead, or modified from the original due to the placement of the side viewport in comparison to the standard turret. Photos exist of improvised turrets being mounted. One source states that 37mm mountain guns and 45mm anti-tank guns were fitted as acquired.[2][3]" - wikipedia
Also i apprisiate your concern with ai usage however, ai can be used in 2 ways, as an assistant and as something that write you the whole thing. In this case it was used to asist my research and how to improve the post and make it follow all guidlines.
About the low quality images, there were only around 50 Ni tanks made and back then cameras were not widely accessible at the time especially in places like Odessa so it is very hard to find proper images that are high quality
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Thats not a NI Tank.
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AI use is accepted in academic papers as long as you cite or credit it.
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I suppose so, though relying entirely on claims like that is still a bit risky without proper photographic evidence to back it up.
The issue I have with AI is that using it to write something like this is anathema to the academic nature of these studies. Each suggestion post is a detailed study into a historical military vehicle, and when you use AI to write the post, it turns people away from the hard work you’ve done. You want it to look as good as it can, and the way AI writes is just so unnatural and off-putting. You put a lot of effort into the research behind the post, I can tell. It should use your own words so it reflects everything you’ve studied. That’s all.
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🫡 Thank you for addressing this.
This suggestion thread is turning out to be quite entertaining to say the least.
Thank you for giving me constructive criticism unlike other people, I appreciate it a lot
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for your understanding, Brone Traktor literally means “Armoured Tractor”
the NI tank itself is technically a type of bronetraktor, because its built on top of a tractor
Bronetraktor isnt one singular vehicle, it’s a general category of tractors converted into armored fighting vehicles, and the NI tank falls in to that category
one image i can use to help you undestand better is this
another thing i want to mention is that i am from the city where these tanks were built, the pictures that i attached in the actual post are standing in museums and monumenets in the area, and i saw them with my own eyes.
And? You still cant take the other tank as a base for your suggestion, since its already a suggestion. And has a 45mm gun, not a 37mm gun. All i have seen in terms of your suggestion are just armed with DTs and the rest mock ups.
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You’re welcome!
I would like to add that the NI and KhTZ-16 are indeed separate vehicles. The KhTZ-16 had a definite construction with multiple built according to the same pattern: a casemate armed with a 45mm 20-K mounted on an STZ-3 tractor manufactured at Kharkov. They share a parallel to the NI tank and were indeed made for the same emergency reason, but they are not the same and photos of the KhTZ-16 should not be included as part of a suggestion for the NI. Two separate factories in two different locations. One standardized, the other much more improvised. In fact, between 70-90 KhTZ-16s were built and they saw use in the defense of Kharkov with some success. It is easy to understand how they’d get mixed up, as they’re very similar in their origins and murky source material. But you wouldn’t put photos of the T-72 and T-80 together in the same post just because they look similar and share a similar role.
Just figured I’d throw in some helpful info since the topic was being discussed.
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Tel Aviv impressed +111
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none photographed in WW2 times were seemingly armed with 37/45 mm guns. So, this vehicle doesn’t exist
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Just because it’s not photographed doesn’t automatically mean it doesn’t exist (ie: Ke-Ho). But as far as the game is concerned, built vehicles with no photos, no detailed drawings, and ambiguous descriptions can’t be modeled since there is not a definitive idea of what it would look like.
I agree that a more heavily armed Ni seems dubious, and I would like to see some sort of photo or detailed drawing to validate it, but I still wouldn’t be so quick to 100% discount the possibility.