compared to what, the F-5E? Sure. Problem is its a lower BR despite being slightly better as a jet. Compared to the F-5C? Worlds of difference
sure why not.
they should start from 11.3. they are all OP
They aren’t even top of their class at their current BR’s (except the NF-5A). 11.3 is delulu. The squadron F-5E FCU with all aspects is correctly placed at 11.3 and its just ok to mediocre imho. Pushing the F-5A or even the F-5E to 11.3 would be ridiculous
NF5 to F5a wasnt as humongous of a jump as posts here is claiming unless im reading the emphasis wrong. they are S***canning everything in dogfighting either way.
i posted a turn performance graph between the NF-5a and F-5a earlier. NF is clearly superior but its not an amount thats going to be super obvious in ARB/NE scenarios.
what beats them other than the J-7D for their gameplay style? Genuine question. and why dont you see teams full of them instead of F-5 variants instead?
Go watch them fly in game and dont look at statgraphs. The actual difference is very obvious
10.3 F8U-2 is arguably better than the F-5C/A (the ones with aim-9E), these should share the same BR, or move the crusader to 10.7 at the very least.
But then you also have the taiwanese F-5A at 10.7 with 9J’s, and then the NF-5A too, which not only gets 9J’s but the FM is better.
The F-5C is a premium which many bought in a while ago (I didn’t). Its normal to have the matchmaker filled with these premiums
im working my way towards the F-5A in the japan tree, dont worry ill let you know once im there (if i dont bash my own head in from using the hawk 209, why the hell have the hawks not moved down significantly they are absolute shite)
I am looking forward to it. one of my fave planes for how it plays in ARB is the hunter FGA9, a F-5 is that kind of experience but with the security of a good amount of flares and a good chunk more speed
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The japanese F-5A shares the same FM as the other F-5A’s and the F-5C. The 11.3 japanese F-5E are also the same FM as the US/taiwan F-5E.
Only the NF-5A is different, it has the same engines as the F-5E, but with the F-5A airframe and a little extra weight. It has the better TWR of all the F-5’s, but still higher wing loading than the heavier F-5E airframe which results in poor sustained turn rates at dogfighting speeds relative to the F-5E.
The NF-5A climbs like a mig19
the japanese squadron F-5 is my next squadron vehicle to unlock once i have the ADF abrams in the british tree.
they are oppressive vehicles and honestly im sick of the planes i like being the punching bag of specifically F-5s endlessly, im gonna make others be the punching bag for once (this is why ive been playing F/A-18s a lot recently)
They are not, the F-4E was a better jet before the sparrow buffs. Not to mention currently.
At 11.3 the slow acceleration and speed of the F-5E starts to be a big hindrance, and because all aspects are common, players are more aware of their surroundings, and the pythons are also 1 flare away from becoming useless like any 9L/R60M.
You’ll be pushed into mig-23mld territory almost every time and you can’t do anything about it. Not to mention full uptiers facing F-16’s and F-18s
sure. as a missile bus its better. a phantom is a fatass if you need to turn in comparison tho
thats the experience everyone has trying to deal with an F-5 before being trapped into a garanteed loss in a turnfight.
thankfully mig 23 players are mostly zombies going for bases.
They also need to go up. at least the F-16 only has 9L and no sparrows to speak of.
thankfully 12.3 doesnt really exist outside of hornets and the F-16a so its not a common worry, most of the time they are dragged into the black hole that is premium hornet and SU30 BRs
Its not so bad, I’ve won against F-5s by dong 1C vertical dogfights
Bit anecdotal. Ive beaten a couple F-86F players in the hawk T1a. doesnt make the hawk better does it?
a phantom is heavy and far less responsive for a dogfight. I wish i could say otherwise, i adore phantoms but they are just not very fun or good to play really.
No they don’t, because 12.7+ jets completely outclass the F-16A. ITs a BR compression issue
compression doesnt mean a vehicle to too strong in its current spot within that compression.
Both can be true at the same time.
The F-16A isn’t too strong compared to other 12.3’s. The F-18A is
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compared to the 12.3 and 12.7 legacy hornets almost nothing at those BRs is even viable, even more so with the sparrow buffs getting rid of the ability to sparrow roll. if youre out of multipath 9/10 times youre eating a sparrow and there wasnt really anything you could do.
an F-16 is still an F-16 tho. I cant think of any 11.3-11.7 planes that really stand much hope in that fight unless the F-16a player was quite stupid
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A fully downtiered F-16A isn’t much of a problem unless you are alone. Since it needs to gun you down because 9L’s or even pytons are not a real threat unless you are an advark or something, it requires time and commitment (and skill) from his part.
In a 1v1 is the worst thing you can face, but when the match normaly develops, things like the MiG-23MLD, F-4S/J, and F1C are jets with far more battlefield presence than the F-16A. And they are all lower BR than it.
In the case of the MiG-23MLD, it is safe from the F-16 because you either kill it with your R-24’s or you easily run away. He can’t catch you at all, and his missiles are easily dismissed.
