New SAM's in the next major update

I just want to say, many things could be done, nothing is being done. I agree that the idea of balance is not strong in gaijin’s head, however there are ways to fix it, such as: Airfield spawns that are 30+ kms away from the battle (giving SPAA players the ability to see planes before planes can diddle them. Or just create a way to balance top tier planes and SPAA…

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which it isnt powerful and isnt very fast rn, so theres that

Bruh… Kh38 with their gps can launch from >30km away now. Ofc theres is still no other comparable missile (hammer takes A LOT of time to get there)

you could always do this with both MT and ML though? ML with caveats of IOG drift, but you can laser all the way to target

Remember how I keep regurgitating that it doesn’t really affect the MT in any way in the other thread?

Well yea. U could guide ML for these 60s (or even more). I m cas main myself and i know that manually guiding something for 60s is just stupid. BUT NOW with gps u can fire it forget about it then comeback to lase for that 5-10s to score a kill.

In short, GPS makes life sooooo much easier for cas

MT is bugged at the moment (IR+GPS bug) but if fixed it would mean LOAL that is a big no no for other countries ofc

Is a promotional video from Diehl, the manufacturers of the IRIS-T SLM system, good enough of a source? Timestamp is 2:32

And let us focus on the language used here: Effective, not maximum, range. And effective, once again not maximum, range.

Clear marketing lie obviously
-gaijooble

Interview with Diehl Defense Iris Chief Program Officer Mr Buschek at Airpower 2024 fair.

Guess what he says ?
Range/alt 40km / 20km

Current Dev: Effective range: 10-12km, from that point on its tumbling through the sky sub mach 1 without any chance to even reach a fraction of the advertised 40km effective combat range.

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Effective range for what? There a big difference between effective range for hitting a 747 and an f15e.

Things like the aim120b will say 60km range, but you aren’t hitting anyone with these outside of 20km in most cases, and it really depends on the plane firing it too, where they are how fast they are going. Or people claiming the pantsir is a 20km death bubble when you aren’t hitting anyone farther than 8km if they maneuver.

You can usually just take a missiles max range and divide by 3 and get pretty close to what is realistic for hitting a mach+ target that isn’t flying in a straight line.

Manufacturers do have an incentive to list the absolute max range for what is possible against the easiest targets.

Laser + IOG weapons were able to do exactly that for months.

GNSS doesn’t change anything on how the missile works.
You can already launch IR AGMs with POINT lock from far away and if something enters their FOV at 12-13km or below they’ll start tracking it.

Bruh… I would like to response for the 10th time with the same thing but frankly i dont want to for 11th time. Sry 😕

IRIS-T SLM currently has effectively “better stingers”. And the missiles have been gutted so much, and made vulnerable to flares to the point the FlaRakRad might outperform it. The missile is faster, has higher explosive massive, higher G pull, etc than the nerfed IRIS-T SLM.

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So what’s the point of new SAMs if they’re not going to be a direct threat to CAS especially KH38MT.

I’m so tired of having to maneuver and chaff just to kill one Pantsir while Russia gets to sit at +10km and vaporize our whole team.

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Nothing your best bet is to use Flarakrad or you can use the new Sams and just imagine your doing something and pretend you dont get shot 20ft in every direction by a KH38MT or bout to be the infamous KH38ML with GNSS

You better move your SAMs every few second to not get sniped by that creature KH38ML, crazy how Russia gets to have all this luxury while NATO gets nerfed to the ground.

This was gaijin’s opportunity to sort it out as well. Unfortunately, it seems they just… didn’t. Tells you all you need to know really.

Their BIAS is getting more clearer by the day honestly.

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Moving SAMs on most maps is pointless. Game literally renders less trees and basically no bushes so u cant hide ur SAMs. Other than evading glide bombs its as i said much pointless. It is still better to always move out of spawn tho

Its sad to see such BIAS exist with these things