Please submit a bug report. Id rather have my merk crawl around then get lolpenned by every single goddamn thing.
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It is known that those sides can stop 650mm tandem at the very least, so I’d appreciate they do that in-game.
I’m very brain dead. I don’t think that would be a good idea for me to do, however, I will gladly share said sources here for anyone who wants to actually do so lol
This is the IDF’s official Channel. The title translating from Hebrew opens the question of how a vehicle of 80 tons can be moved around. 36 seconds in, it also says “80 tons”, though I don’t speak Hebrew. This itself should be enough evidence, not gonna lie.
הכירו את טנק המערכה מרכבה סימן 4 - YouTube
2 minutes and 30 seconds in claims the Merkava 4M is 80 tons.
מ"הגרוטאות" למרצדס: הלוחמים ממבצע קדש נכנסו לטנקים החדישים ביותר (ynet.co.il)
1 minute and 3 seconds into the video on this Israeli page refers to the vehicle as 82 tons.
In my humble opinion, this is more than enough evidence. Unfortunately, it’s hard to say if Gaijin would agree. The IDF themselves refer to it as 80-82 tons on their socials.
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D-tech and AMAP in Leos definitely isnt 40 years old.
No, but the internal armor is much older.
Unless I’m wrong, only the add on armor is D tech. The internal armor of a 2A7 is still the same as that of a 2A4, no?
Even then, the Israeli SLERA armor is a much more aggressive. It’s larger and costs more to build. Considering the Bundeswehr has issues modernizing compared to Israel, I doubt their armor is more effective.
So what do you say? should i open a report about it?
I’d personally suggest someone with more insight into Israel and Hebrew did it. I can’t really read Hebrew and only understand small phrases. If it wasn’t for older mentions of these, I wouldn’t have found them.
Im a Merkava gunner, but i cant really provide legit sources cuz they arent declassified. I can only use what you use.
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The ones from the IDF’s social media themselves should be enough proof to Gaijin theoretically.
I’d say go for it. They might be enough to convince them with.
Also, slight side note, if you have any evidence of the Namer’s side armor being stronger than it is in-game, I’d appreciate that.
An up-close of the Namer’s rear door would be nice as well. Gaijin seems to think it’s hollow.
Do you have any damaged Namer side armour photos?
Unfortunately, that’s pretty much impossible to find even for me.
I remember seeing a busted rear door in Gaza back in november, it didnt look like it had any NERA or SLERA inside, just pure cast metal, So they pretty much nailed the back doors, the only area i do not get hit at ingame.
Every damaged Namer i encountered was hit from the back only.
Why would 2A7s armour be the same as 2A4s when even 2A5s & 2A6s received new inserts?
KMW in fact outright states it has a “Revised Passive Armour Package” to differentiate it from previous, less armour variants. I’ll be blunt, you’re very much wrong.
Considering the Bundeswehr has issues modernizing compared to Israel, I doubt their armor is more effective.
“I made it up.”
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To be honest, I’m not really that knowledgeable on many Main Battle Tanks since information can be hard to find. It’s also often unreliable.
If that’s the case, I’d love to have some information on it. I enjoy reading into it.
I’m also not sure I understand this. The Bundeswehr struggles to modernizes due to a fluctuating and inconsistent budget. The Germans also don’t want to be seen as a militarized state due to certain circumstances.
As an example, the German Eurocopters are almost all entirely grounded, and most Leopards aren’t combat ready. This is a well-known problem.
Armours are by far some of the cheapest upgrades when it comes to MBTs. The basis for your argument is downright silly; “oh they haven’t got money or will to simultaneously upgrade morbillion tanks into a single homogenous variant, that surely must mean their armour isn’t as effective as [insert X country].” (which in itself… is a logical fallacy).
As an example, the German Eurocopters are almost all entirely grounded, and most Leopards aren’t combat ready. This is a well-known problem.
A well-know problem from… 2015? You’re not keeping up with the times, considering in 2022, Germany’s Leopard 2 fleet had a 80%+ readiness rate, and their EFT fleet had higher readiness rates than US’ F-16 fleet, etc. Heck, even their KHT fleet had a whopping 70%+ rate! What was Israels by comparison, have you any data?
I never said they couldn’t afford good armor, but I did state that it’s likely less advanced than Israel’s armor due to an overall military budget difference. For example, the armor being made isn’t the only part of the cost. Research and Development is also very important.
I know people from the Bundeswehr. Only recently in the last few years has the German Military Industry begun to step up. In terms of Development, they’re still lacking in many ways. Similarly to Britain, they struggle with supply lines and Maintenace.
It’s just a result of the Cold War mostly dying off.
I’m not really sure where you’ve got your data, but it doesn’t seem correct. If it was correct, then Germany wouldn’t have needed to vastly increase their military spending in the last two years.
This isn’t even conjecture, it’s a speculation (if it can be called that!) pulled out of the void based on ???
Have you any idea of how large Germany’s budget is in comparison to Israels, btw, cause the former packs around 30 billion USD more. On top of that, if we’re to follow your logic, countries with lower budgets should not be capable of producing the armour of the same/better quality than those designed by nations with larger budgets… oh well I guess Japan, Russia, Germany & France hasn’t got the notion considering all have been producing armours comparetively better than US armours both recently and in the past.
Research and Development is also very important.
Take a look at what you’re writing because you’re contradicting yourself.
In terms of Development, they’re still lacking in many ways.
Enlighten me.
I’m not really sure where you’ve got your data, but it doesn’t seem correct.
Bundeswehr’s own data from years 2021 & 2022, what are you using, then? Because to say that most of their tanks aren’t even combat ready would require us to go back to the period between 2013 and 2015, which checks calender was a decade ago.
You’ve made so many lapses in logic that at this point, I am not even sure if you’re just lost or actually trolling me.
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u forgot the 292
695 mm KE
As I said, nothing above 700+ KE penetration is in the game yet. The object 292 does not exceed that threshold.