those who know the all aspect 9P-4 carried by some planes such as F-5E FCU
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I would add Magic 2 Mk2 for France
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9P-4 would probably bump it to same BR as the FCU…11.3. But there aren’t any Mirages around there, so could be interesting.
Actually should have at least Flz Lwf 63/90 (9P-4) or even 63/91 (9P-5). The upgraded variant we have in game never flew with the 63/80 (9P-3).
Same goes for the Swiss F-5E, btw.
Wow just terrible work on the BRs there bud, and conveniently skipped the missing ordinance of most aircraft outside of the US and UK
Wow just terrible work on the reading comprehension there bud.
The post clearly asks for input on what else should be added to the list.
Yeah… comments like this aren’t useful. If you have suggestions, try being more specific.
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Were these ever used by France?
I know there are plenty of historically inaccurate loadouts in game, and lacking 9E makes the French F-100 the worst one in game, but just curious.
The 9e were never used by France, we went from the 9B to the R550 and the Magic 1
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Any source for Shafrir II on Vautour?
Adding 4 of these would likely require a BR adjustment. Yes, the Sa’ar has them at 9.0, but it is slower than Vautour and only has 2. Next aircraft with the Shafrir 2 is the 9.7 Ayit.
I made a bug report about it on the old forums which was accepted
Just the Vautour IIN and IIB, not the IIA
You might consider to add the Hs 293 D (tv-guided) to your list.
Regarding your P-61s: I am quite sure that most of the turrets were actually removed from them (stability issues); read this decades ago.
Have a good one!
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I looked into this and yes your right. it was quite common in the field for the Engineers to remove the turret due to their issues. But many were also built without them too thanks to a supply demand for the B-29 as it took priority.
Earlier blocks of the P-61A-1 and A-5, as well as the B-1 to 10 were the ones heavily impacted by the supply issues.
The premium P-61A was one of the late model variants which had the turret.
If Gagin doesn’t want to add a modification to remove the turret perhaps they can give us a separate p-61b without one.
I question the thought process behind asking for things like the IRIS-T Mica IR Meteor ect
Genuinely i dont think the game is ready to add those kinds of weapons yet
And even if they are added you cant just leave out equivalent missiles for other nations
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Armament is balancing decision just like reloads are. So the devs dont want to increase BR of certain vehicles so they dont give them better weapons.
Agree with you here. I don’t think super high performing BVR missiles would make the current RB gameplay loop better, but I added them to the list for the sake of completeness.
Leaving out equivalent missiles is just oversight on my part. Will add missiles like R-33, R-33S, R-37, etc. in next update.
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The problem is, this is done inconsistently. F-5A/C have ahistorical flares because they are too good to put at a lower BR without them. Top tier have AIM-9M instead of AIM-9X, ASRAAM, IRIS-T, Python 5, etc. because those missiles are too good for current gameplay, although they will eventually come.
That said, giving the Mirage III S C.70 (an upgraded Mirage IIIS) an outdated missile that it never carried for ‘balance reasons’ doesn’t make sense. There is already a Mirage IIIE in the French tree with Magic 2 Magic 1 at 10.7… so adding AIM-9P (roughly similar quality ) wouldn’t be harming anything. Heck, even giving it all aspect AIM-9P-4 and going to 11.0 or 11.3 (a similar bump to the Norwegian F-5AG with AIM-9Ls) wouldn’t break anything.
Also, this thread is just to document and discuss missing weaponry. I agree that not every possible weapon combination makes sense. How do you balance a Tornado IDS SLE with IRIS-T, for example???
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Magic 1*
Magic II wouldnt be that low
No HMD (like the GR4 has with ASRAAM), limited missile count, very poor FM even at 12.3 let alone 13.0+. I think it would be okay at around 13.0/13.3. especially given IRIS-T is pretty massively nerfed and not that hard to defeat at the moment.
GR4 with ASRAAM and HMD would be trickier but 13.3 would probably be okay.
The better question though is whether or not it actually benefits the airframe. Both the SLE and GR4 need a BR reduction to 12.0, for most ground attackers a lower BR is usually always more beneficial than a better loadout which innevetiably increases the BR, even if they are largely unchanged in their primary role and so just end up weaker most of the time.
Though if you want a full list of possible missing loadouts including those not in-game yet or those that wouldn’t be beneficial to the airframe, just a full possible list.
Then for Britain. You can also add
Tornado F3 (12.0) - Aim-9Ms
Tornado GR1 - Aim-9Ms
Harrier T10 /GR7 - ASRAAM
Tornado GR4 - ASRAAM
Tornado F3 Late - ASRAAM, Aim-120C5, Meteor
Typhoon FGR4 - ASRAAM , Meteor
Typhoon FGR4 (AESA) - ASRAAM, Meteor, Meteor MLU (soon™), Comet (soon™)
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It seems like the Comet missile is a France only design due to a recent clarification by the French Senate thanks to oceanfish for finding the source. The French Senate says that the Comete is a missile designed for Rafale F4 for 2030 and is different than the planned France-British Meteor successor which is planned for the next decade.
Yes, we were aware that Comet and Meteor MLU were 2 entirely different missiles.
and yes, why would the French Government reference an aircraft they dont operate. I doubt the MoD/British parliment would mention the Rafale in any documents regarding the Typhoon getting Meteor MLU. That doesnt mean that Meteor MLU isnt coming to the Rafale.
We shall have to see what happens in the future. At the moment ,almsot nothing is known about the comet