here we are talking about the mig-29, the F-16 will also get a turn
Not trying to be his advocate but MIG_23M was one of the few guys who insisted that the R73 wasn’t necessary back when the fulcrum was added while 90% of russian mains were begging for the missile (i myself wanted Gaijin to add the first version presented on the first devserver of Apex Predators and complained a lil bit in the forums), he’s pretty unbiased from what i saw. It’s just a fact that the mig29 is sluggish rn (did you even try to rate with that thing?) and this forum is dedicated to it, he like me just want the plane to behave how it should, a supermaneuverable aircraft, we aren’t asking for op stuff, hell, you can take the 27ER and the op radar away, nobody ever asked for their addition anyway.
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told you it will be the turn of the F-16 and F-14 and F-15 in the future.We have F-14 pulls 11G when in real life could only 7.5
I don’t know what was said in the old forum, but as far as I know he has never asked nerf that were not historical, and he also did bug reports to improve NATO and non Soviet aircraft too:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/jM9ehnxndf2V
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/9GTye85vKeO8
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/qXZgF5fLYEAe
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Z7sS4gX0q73o
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/WaAKkG8tTPbW
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We have max G structural limits, not operational limits in war thunder. F-14 pulling 11G is fine
in reality, 11.25 is already the destruction of the structure, plastic deformations have occurred on 11.Re-entering such an overload would destroy the structure. this applies to all aircraft when the overload limit is suitable.in addition to the MiG-29, he has a slightly different situation.You won’t tear off the wing even at 15G.It will break down in another place
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I understood the little boy with the candy. you just don’t want the F16 UFO to be taken away from you like candy from a child and come to insult everyone on this topic without normal discussion
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Let’s just forget this shit guys, this forum is becoming Reddit-like…
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Guys, just use report button under message and don’t care about such people
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They didn’t remove the G limiter, they added one.
@dragonflaine71 ^^ This is what I mean. The F-16 gets a flight model buff and the knee-jerk reaction is that it’s a UFO and needs to be nerfed. Yet when it comes to buffs for the mig29, suddenly it’s just good honest gamers who want things to be realistic? Yeah ok lmao.
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Show me a wing that doesn’t have flow separation >90° AoA
It’s not a retort, it’s a fact and what you said was a lie so…
So they ADDED a G-limiter, and as a consequence the F-16 can now pull more Gs than it did before?
What part of that makes sense to you?
according to GJN there was a limiter, and the limit was increased.
Can you not just admit you were wrong for once, instead of always doubling down on the stupidity?
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Show me what plane is pulling more than 90 degrees AoA in game.
F-16A — the maximum overload limit by the instructor has been changed to 11G when using mouse or simplified controls. Reduced the longitudinal stability at low speeds, and added angle of attack and overload limiters for SAS in “damper” mode at full control.
Every aircraft has a G limiter, my original argument was that it was never limited to 9G. In fact, it was exceeding this drastically and they then revised it down to a realistic amount (~12-13G?)… it’s been lowered even further.
The full real performance of the F-16 was always overperforming in stability which I’ve been trying to report for a while now, even prior to this update. As stated above, it was supposed to have reduced longitudinal stability at low speeds but this was clearly not something “fixed” in the update as seen in my subsequent report.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/OLiLWCU6c4tU
Whether it’s over / underperforming is irrelevant. I’m just applying the same standard to both since Gaijin wanted to favor the US equipment in this case.
Likewise in the past I tried to help fix the F-14 engines being too hot, they wouldn’t, and I had reported (and raised) the MiG-21/23 series engine temps subsequently to hold them to the same standard.
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Watch as the rudder and ailerons remain in full control and aircraft recovers from AoA excursions beyond 90°
Tell me more about how realistic this is and how you are just angry it’s being corrected.
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Yes, just use this thread to talk about the MiG-29… I will try to make a bug report with what I have already posted above and see how it goes, although they may just label it as “close enough” as the difference is only 0.5 deg/sec… unless Ny actually means only the horizontal component of the G pull although it’s unlikely.
Then we have to look at the Roll rate and imho the idea of having the ability to select a lower maximum AoA for the instructor should also be considered as a suggestion to the devs, maybe after spreading a bit the idea on the forum, as it would help many other aircraft and especially the French and Swedes
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The F-16 and the MiG-29 are not that far off from each other in a rate fight. (unlike what it is in war thunder right now).
here there are charts (image no.8 and 10 in particular) for both the F-16C and MiG-29 at sea level with the MiG29 also having a bit more fuel time (2100kg fuel for the MiG29, 2452 pounds (~1200kg) for the F-16. ). Sustained turn rate difference is never bigger than 1 deg/sec until MiG29s G limit becomes 7.5 (but we are far from optimal turn rate at that point).
Won’t post charts directly as some guy said they may not be allowed on the forum because they are too modern, and I don’t want any risks.
There should be also charts for maximum turn rate (not sustained), and the MiG29 should have the advantage here, but in game the F-16A right now is pulling inside Mirage2000s…
You keep throwing slurs and insults like it’s remotely helping your cause…
The aircraft still had yaw / roll control with no airflow possible over either idk what you mean. It’s also full real, instructor for air RB doesn’t even let you go to departure conditions in most cases so that’s totally irrelevant to my report to discuss air RB performance.
You keep saying 90%, 99% of Russia fans are asking for ridiculous stuff… where are they? Certainly not in this thread.
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