saw speculation that it might have had worse avionics/ EW equipment
but we will not know
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The F16A couldnt outturn the MiG-29A due to safety limiters.
The F16A is in fact a much more sluggish and less maneuverable aircraft than the F16C due to its even more limited flight contros.
As you can see in the 2nd picture even if you account for the G-Limit of the plane (wich would limit it to 22-23°/s) its maximum would be 26°/s and thats a pretty generous addition.
Warthunder completly bloates the F16A because its lighter and Gaijin doesnt concern themselfes with concepts like Instability, Limiters or realistic aircraft performance.
Just as comparison the MiG-29 is rated for 22°/s Sustained (empty) wich is so close to 22-23 that it could easily outrate an F16A due to its smaller turncircle and better ability to offset.
(this discussion doesnt even mention that irl the F16 is hardlimited to 22°/s - even instanteneous. So the MiG-29 could obliterate it in scissor or 1 circles with its far superior 26°/s)
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They used F-16C’s in the mock dogfights, not sure what block
blk 15 is better than blk 50 anyways
and in war thunder the Mig-29 loses to the F-16A in every way dosent matter one circle or two circle
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iirc meteor missile uses an inital stage booster which helps it reach mach 1-2 (dont know the speed) before switching to ramjet.
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that booster isnt able to do wonders tho
so you will still need some speed
i think you need to be atleast mach 0.7 for the booster to help it go supersonic (iam not sure on that tho)
worse plane loses? No way
I literally just mentioned that the F16C is in fact more maneuverable irl than the A variant, you should read through my message before answering it.
And even going against the F16C the MiG-29 would be pretty much even in a dogfight - the 29 has a smaller turncircle, better instanteneous turn and higher acceleration while the F16 has better Energy retention, 2 circle performance and other utility like higher rollrate etc.
If you start bringing in A2A weaponry for dogfights the 29 claps any F16 variant up to the late 90s thanks to the R73 (this is historically proven with mock dogfights between US F16C bl.50s and German MiG-29Gs in 1992-1994)
The MiG-29 is the by far most underrepresented and one of the most underperforming planes in the entirety of Warthunder - while the F16s massively overperform thanks to gaijin completly ignoring its flaws and straight up not modelling them
You gotta see it like this:
MiG-29 has high drag, Roll reversal at low speeds and even engine stalling modelled.
F16 (especially A) doesnt have engine stalling, roll reversal barely affects it and its Flight control system - wich would make it Incredibly bad in dogfights - isnt even modelled.
And this isnt even starting to mention that the F16 in Warhtunder above 25° AOA behaves like a stable airframe, wich there is NO historical record of - in fact its much more the opposite
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Read dawg, read
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So the US flight manuals are cope?
Seems more like you are coping
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The moment he wrote that without elaborating he made it clear that he’s just ragebaiting.
Don’t waste your time with this absolute loser.
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Just funny to me that when you show sources, they don’t want to belive them because it doesn’t fit their world view of American stuff being better in every way than anything else
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There are multiple EM diagrams for the F-16A and to my knowledge they don’t talk say exactly the same thing.
What Merf is saying about the F-16A FCS being sluggish is also opposite to that of pilot reports. F-16A had analogue FCS that was not as conservative as later digital FCS.
What’s the fuel load in this diagram and what is the fuel load in the MiG-29 STR chart?
the F-16 charts seem to be at 23,768 lb ( or 10,780.98 kg)
Okay but what is the fuel percentage for that weight? Or more importantly what does Merf think it is.
So F16A FCS was better ??
It allowed you to do more but was also more dangerous. Basically it’s limits or moreso how the analog system had its own computational limitations meant that you could more easily enter situations that depart flight.
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