@k_stepanovich It seems the consensus is the MiG-29 is broken, some changes may have left unintended consequences
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yeah they broke all the mig29s fm, I think the only thing that was needed was the f16 fm buff (although I still think for 1v1s the f16 fm was and still is the best, especially the block 10) for air rb it’s debatable but they didn’t need to make the mig29 useless and depend 100% on its weapons
I disagree, the F-16 exhibits zero instability at AoA more than double what was possible in real life without pitch-out departure. It’s severely overperforming in-game.
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oh yeah i saw your posts about this issue, i totally agree with you, from what i know the f16 isnt a stable aircraft att all, shouldnt be doing that without consequences, imo shouldnt even win in 1 circle against the 29
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Both planes similiarly equal to each other in real life and this should be the case in wt but instead Mig29’s Fm butchered and F-16’s Fm buffed too hard.
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Comparing 9-15 and 9-12 just by mass and engines is useless, 9-15 has upgraded and quite different airframe.
that’s exactly why I was asking for charts. If the airframe was the same then I could do the math accounting for the extra weight and the more powerful engines.
Still the 9-15 has probably much better performance
You want find anything. Su-27 and MiG-29 9-12 airframes are last planes for Russia that can be modelled properly, all others modern russian fighters fms will be mostly divinations and fantasy.
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You are asking wrong person. You need iso_gate or V_S_N
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Maybe Gaijin can get more sources than we can… anyway not that it really matters since they managed to make MiG29s rate worse than F4Es now lol
Sorry for asking again but if you made a bug report for the current MiG29 flight model could you share the link for it? Because I can’t find it and in general more people having the same issue usually helps the devs notice it quickly
Stepanovich usually reads the forums and replies often. The others seem to make decisions that have me questioning if they play the game or not.
It’s marked “not a bug” but I’ve requested Smin forward further information.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/H409F96xHyZa
@Smin1080p any updates?
I think we should make another one about the whole new MiG-29 flight model, this one is about it not reaching the right degrees of AoA, the most important problem right now is that it bleeds speed worse than a MiG-21 bis
I will need more sources, information about the flight model in “post-critical” AoA
Yeah, the problem with MiGs is that information is hard to get and is almost always all written in Russian
Anyway I’m currently testing rate times with the same altitude and comparable loads (20 min fuel, 2 r27Rs and 4 R60s) to the ones that are in the “aerodynamics of MiG29”, since they seem to usually trust that source… hopefully they’ll accept it even with only this source tough (usually they require 2), since I didn’t find anything else apart from it
You don’t need second source for primary source (manual)
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glad to hear it !
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Is this really the main thread for all RU Mig29 on the new forum?