Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Fulcrum - History, Design, Performance & Dissection

[unluckyg]

also mig35 pls :3

[Merf_HD]

I mean yeah

btw. does anybody know if they carried the MAWS from the MiG-29M2 to the 35?

[sudo_su1]

@MiG_23M

E4 can only hit targets in such conditions because it is a specifically modified Sparrow intended for use on the F-14, all prior models when used on the F-4E will not be using any Doppler effect because the F-4E hasn’t a PD radar. A “pulse Doppler seeker” as he describes it makes no sense especially in regard to the F-4E Phantom. It’s nonsense.

You don’t need a PD radar for that.

That’s the whole point of the CW transmitter/illuminator.
It’s a secondary transmitter that is pointed at the same direction as the main transmitter of the pulse radar, transmitting a CW signal for the sole purpose of Sparrow guidance.

F-14A has a CW transmitter as well. That’s how it can guide the AIM-7E.
AIM-7F can be guided with both CW and PD signal.

[MaMoran20]

You have no clue what you talk about. Yet, simple Ds and Es do downlook shoots

@MaMoran20

• AIM-7E
  lookdown/ high clutter environment
  4 m^2 target size
  target at launch: target at 200 ft - M0.62
  fighter at launch: F4 at 10,000 ft - M1.1
  distance 6.8 N.M
  Head-on
  3ft miss, success.
• AIM-7E
  lookdown/ high clutter environment
  4.1 m^2 target size
  target at launch: target at 300 ft - M0.5
  fighter at launch: F4 at 300 ft - M0.44
  distance 6 N.M
  22° off target’s nose
  7ft miss, success
• AIM-7D
  lookdown/ large aspect
  3.8 m^2 target size
  target at launch: target at 2,900ft - M0.53
  fighter at launch: F4 at 7,300 ft - M0.59
  distance 2.2 N.M
  22° off target’s tail
  direct hit, success

[skilz2kil]

This thread turned into Aim-7 - History, Design, Performance & Dissection

[MiG_23M]

Right, now show me a scenario that isn’t just as easily performed with a R-3R or better by a R-23R

6nm launch against a target slightly below you at low alt sure is true LD/SD…

[somebody_Else]

Might need a moderator to clean this up

[MaMoran20]

It can’t because it can’t filter out clutter with doppler processing. Aka, not pd.

Nothing else to do rather than just being argumentative for the sake of being to have something on. Sad

[unluckyg]

man, this useless discussion that has NOTHING related to the mig29 has been going on since January 18th

could you guys just stop with this?

[Merf_HD]

well tbf there isnt much to argue about the 29

Its pretty ass ingame and it doesnt seem like gaijin wants to add any other version of it with the new SU-30 teaster

Well tbh it was bound to happen that the flanker just takes the spot of the 29 and outperforms it in every regard

[MiG_23M]

@Merf_HD

well tbf there isnt much to argue about the 29

@Merf_HD

Its pretty ass ingame

False

@Merf_HD

the flanker just takes the spot of the 29 and outperforms it in every regard

also false

[ron_2303]

@MiG_23M

@Merf_HD

the flanker just takes the spot of the 29 and outperforms it in every regard

also false

@MiG_23M
So in what regard does the Mig29 perform better than the Flanker?

[MiG_23M]

Even a basic look at the start card gives you an idea, climb rate for one. The SMT has a better radar and gimbal limit for a second example.

[ron_2303]

First of all don’t trust the Stat cards it is a well known fact that they are often wrong.

But I give you the better climb rate, but that isn’t a reason why anybody would pick the 29 over the Flanker especially in RB.
Ontop of that the radar doesn’t make that much of a difference outside of simulator matches.
In the end you are going to have worse flight performance and a worse missile kit than the Flanker, this is especially prominent on the Mig29g as it sits at the same br as the Su27s in RB.

Even in simulator matches where a good radar matters alot more, I hear people saying they prefer the Flanker over the 29smt because of the missile kit and flight performance.

Ontop of that the Mig29 also has alot less combat endurace because of its fuel consumption/ low fuel capacity + low missile count compared to the flanker.

[Sealboyyo]

I mean, I would agree with almost everything you said, other than the fact that the radar only matters in simulator, which it’s not really true? The MiG-29SMT 9.19 with the N010M is way better than the shitty N001VEP radar, for one it can do ±85° of gimbal so you could notch while still being able to keep a lock.
And also the radar itself has more range and isn’t twist cassegrain but is a slotted planar array, so the reliability of it in general is better, it also has better scan rate and probably more.
I would say the N010M radar is definitely much better than the N001VEP.

[dragonflaine71]

@ron_2303

In the end you are going to have worse flight performance and a worse missile kit than the Flanker, this is especially prominent on the Mig29g as it sits at the same br as the Su27s in RB.

I disagree that the flight performance of the flanker is much better, imo they are equal (i know the flanker can pull more but the fulcrum can also sustain better, one is better at 1c and the other at 2c), but the kit of the su-27 is indeed MUCH better… Like you said flanker’s fuel consumption and amount of missiles makes it much more competitive than the mig29g and i agree with that while i consider the 29G a very good aircraft… What i think we need is 14.0 aircraft moving up to at least 14.3 and 13.3 for the flanker, it just doesn’t make sense for the 29 and 27 to share the same br.

[dragonflaine71]

I like to su-57 every soviet/russian jet

[MiG_23M]

@ron_2303

First of all don’t trust the Stat cards it is a well known fact that they are often wrong

The climb rate isn’t wrong, you can test both.

@ron_2303

Ontop of that the radar doesn’t make that much of a difference outside of simulator matches

I highly disagree

@ron_2303

In the end you are going to have worse flight performance and a worse missile kit than the Flanker

Meh

@ron_2303

Even in simulator matches where a good radar matters alot more, I hear people saying they prefer the Flanker over the 29smt because of the missile kit and flight performance

Preference is irrelevant

[ron_2303]

@MiG_23M

The climb rate isn’t wrong, you can test both.

Never said it is, I only said that you shouldnt really trust the stat cards in general.

@MiG_23M

I highly disagree

Then pleas explain why you disagree so there is a proper conversation, because from my expirience you just use your HMS in RB to Hardlock somebody, then lounch a R-77 at him and then instantly unlock him.

[kizvy]

how is the mig 29 better than the flanker at sustained rate? the su -27sm beats out the mig 29 in sustained rate at around 450-500ish knots - although they technically arent sustainable, with some neg g they are.