Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Fulcrum - History, Design, Performance & Dissection

What do you make of the Yugoslavian manual and their graphs then? Surely there would be some absurdly large discrepancy in the performance of the aircraft if what you say is true?

We can investigate this properly is all I’m saying.

I thought sources that originate from the aircraft’s country-of-origin trump sources of that aircraft from the outside say… the United States.

If I remember correctly, long ago a report done about the Mig-19 was overperforming and the source used was CIA flight manual and or test flight data. (CIA pilots were running top secret aggressor squadrons with captured MiGs before constant peg)

Simply the Mod at the time (forgot who) stated that country of origin in this case the Union/Moscow overrides CIA sources.

In this case Serbia and Montenegro are not under the jurisdiction of Moscow or the Russian Federation. Yugoslavia is no more.

What are your thoughts? @BBCRF

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Don’t underestimate the hornet.It’s pretty good at low speeds.

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This thread just gets more mind numbing the day jfc

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True, its a cool jet. But its not as good as the Mig29 in low speed and transonic flight. The Legacy hornet didn’t evolve to take on the high lift qualities of the Fulcrum for nothing either such as larger curved LERX and high lift fuselage by flattening the intakes.

The Canadian Armed Forces Dispatch: RCAF Super Hornets - Difference between CF-18 and F/A-18 ...

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Mig-29A specs

Shut the F up

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There is my boy oopsie whom I missed!

Was about to start calling you OopsieDaisy.

Well, Fulcrum has changed too

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It most certainly has. It actually took on wings similar to the Super hornet in the K (critical for carrier capability)

However, In regard to high alpha flight. The Hornet adopted the Mig29s pattern in the curved LERX and high lift integral design.


This is a classic layout, not an integral one

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You think so? look at the slants on the belly of the intakes for higher lift in fuselage.

Perhaps you are right. Not an integral design, but definite efforts were made to generate more lift in the fuselage. The F-18 has very low fuselage surface area to begin with.


Reduced sweep,increased wingspan, larger swells

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Same with the Mig29K. Its needs it for carrier operations. Not alpha flight.

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Mig-29A specs

Notice the larger similar elevators of the Super.

Can you find better diagrams of the migs please. I am sure you will have better luck.

This is a fake picture

MiG-29K 9-31

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The wider spaced engines are interesting and should be noted. They took the Tomcats designed approach placing the hook between instead of the Hornets because placing them closer together will degrade the high lift features of the Fulcrum.

Additionally it MUST be noted that even the elevators have dog tooth leading edges to maintain the boundary lawyer and maximize controllability in high alpha flight.

This thing should smoke the super Hornet in a stall speed knife fight imo. Yes, the hornet is great a low speed. But by the American standard.

The Russian standard would say it is good. But not the best.

Only the Russians prioritize High alpha flight above all nations.

Yep

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They needed to make the F/A-18 into something that could continue to be upgraded and meet the modern day requirements that the Legacy Hornet failed to. Since they were essentially shutting down any attempt at making a brand new aircraft they pawned the new aircraft off as an improvement to something that already existed. As such…

The entire aircraft was made larger, fitting larger engines, and even leaving 17 cubic feet of free space for additional hardware it may need down the road. It gave them room to grow.

The larger LERX and fuselage modifications allow it to perform all of the same duties as the legacy hornet while carrying an additional two pylons and solving the issues of “bringback” that the legacy struggled with. It can bring back nearly 9000 pounds of fuel, ordnance, etc instead of dropping it in the sea or flying around just to burn off weight.

You can actually learn a lot about the Super Hornet from the navy.mil archive

In designing Super Hornet, low observable technology was blended with state-of-the-art defensive electronic countermeasures, reduced areas of vulnerability, and high precision technology air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons.

One of the ways they did this was by modifying the air intakes to give a partial S-curve and radar blocker in the intake. The point of reducing the RCS isn’t to make it stealth, but to give it the advantage of being able to spot smaller fighters FIRST.

Sit down, next slide.

That was a byproduct sweety. The larger LERX and highly curved fuselage negate the idea it was all in effort only to reduce radar cross section.

It was simply a byproduct that slightly reduced the FCS which does not matter anyway as the Aircraft operates with a ton of crap hanging from the wings.

DEBUNKED.