I would love to see a Mig-29 S variant, as the export model is operated by my home country. It would also be easy to implement, as all the necessary radar systems and weaponry are already in the game, and it shares the same FM as the normal mig-29. Would be a good 13.3 fighter.
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I’ve been saying this for ages, 29S would perhaps be my favorite mig29 after the M… It’s the same simple aircraft as the regular 9.13/9.12 but with some improvements regarding its BVR capabilities and it would prolly get r73s, so finally a light mig29 with r73s for Russia.
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imo the 29s are a bit too bad for 13.3
in an actual match not only the weapons kit and FM matter, but stuff like RWR, Radar and Countermeasure count do have a heavy influence too.
And in terms of avionics the 29S would be far inferior to the SMT still.
It also lacks the countermeasures to keep up with anything in the 13.3 bracket.
Personally I think all fulcrums a overBRd as hell, especially the 29A.
I get that the ER is good, but 2x ERs do not justifiy a higher BR than an aircraft with 6x Sparrows, a better FM and comically better avionics
imo every 29 could probably move down 0.3 BRs, except maybe the SMT
29S could go to 13.0 then (being a direct stepup of the 12.7 29G) and 29M (9-42) should be 13.7
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I think that BR decompression would help them more(and giving the As R-73s and removing the R-27ERs), rather than moving them down and making them OP. The 29G would be way too strong at 12.7, because nothing else has great SARHs, and IRCCM missiles at that BR. It would also only be 0.3 higher than the Mig-21Bison, despite it being a huge upgrade in flight performance, and loadout.
My own hot take is that the flight performance isn’t even that bad, and my main issue comes from the terrible endurance of the 29s compared to everything else at it’s BR.
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29G definitely shouldn’t be at 12.7, neither should the 9.13/9.12 at 12.3… What makes the mig29 “suffer” is that it faces stuff that are just comically superior, but the same happens with western 12.7-13.0 jets. It’s already unfair to face fox3s carriers, but stuff like EFT, rafale and su-30sm? It’s just ridiculous.
13.7 jets should get its respective BRs raised to 14.0 and the 14.0 ones 14.3-14.7, 13.0 and 12.7 jets should stay as how they are right now, i want a fair game for my mig29g but i also want a fair game for f-4S, f-4E, mig-23 etc.
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Whaat?
Made a bug report regarding this airframe underperforming 3 weeks ago, would appreciate if you all could help me give it some visibility (I already doubt they’ll change anything but oh well i can try at least)
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/u5jkZGHW5Rg4
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nah bro you dont get it
As long as rate chart lines up the flight model is perfectly fine (even if it looses turnfights with harriers)
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the MiG-29M 9-42 is essentially a direct predecessor of the MiG-35 as every 9-42 tech is also present or improved upon on the MiG-35.
its also the most modern MiG-29 airframe in existence - having better flight performance than the 9-12A and better avionics than the SMT. (only ofc if you dont count the 35 as a 29)
its still classified so getting infos is kinda rough, but what we do know is that it uses a Zhuk-ME or Zhuk-AE depending on configuration (AE was developed and also tested but never intended to be put into full service).
According to ROSCOSMOS its also able to carry a MAWS - but which MAWS, what type and if it contains a CM pod or not isnt known to me at least.
You might have already heard about the MIG-29M 9-42 as the MiG-29M2 (not the double seat version)
as for some reason some people refer to it that way.
Due to the fact that both the 9-15 and the 9-42 are both experiemental aircraft of the same family it would be cool to maybe see the 9-15 as a premium and the 9-42 as its techtree counterpart
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Don’t the modern mig-29s/mig-35 lack a lot of CMS compared to say the 9-15 that has 120 cms? I forgot exactly how many CMS the mig-35 has, i think around 18?
Both 29M 9-42 and MiG-35 are modular - that goes for the CMs too.
They can either use the standart 2x 30x26mm BVP-30-26 Pods for flares or the 2x 9x50mm UV-5 Pods.
Also all modern Russian Fulcrums are able to use the external UV-5-08 - which increases the flare amount by 60x50mm Flares/Chaff.
9-42 never existed
What nonsense
9-42 never existed
The MiG-29M(2) 9-42 is the double seat version of the MIG-29M 9-41
Afaik Russia doesnt operate the 9-41s, thats why I only mentioned the 9-42 which is currently used by the russian airforce as a combat capable training aircraft.
If it turns out that russia did infact operate the 41s id be fine with that being added too yk.
But there exists lots of evidence pointing towards the existence of the 9-42 and 9-41, saying it doesnt exist is conspirancy
Well but first and foremost what gaijin has to do before introducing newer Fulcrums - fix the current flight model.
The thrust charts are completly off - the channelloss is at 22% which is ridicolous considering most aircraft that we do have channelloss data on are in the 5-10% range
(also the flight manual says it has around 7800kgf, but hey thats just an official document - it could be fake yk)
The drag goes into unknown territory when you go beyond 25° AOA for some reason (maybe because there is no data on the drag at such high AOA maneuvers because the 29 cant do those irl)
and if you dare to go below 1200km/h even the F18s will outaccelerate you (which is like clinically proven to be wrong by reports from Swiss F18 pilots)
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What nonsense you wrote. The two-seat version of the 9-41 is the 9-47, not the 42. And yes, Russia operates 9-41
9-41R
could that maybe just mean that I confused the name of the 9.47 with the 9.42?
from what I can find about the 9.47 its exactly the aircraft I described, no?
And I still dont really see any reason to be this toxic, its not like gaijin takes the info on a forum discussion to model a plane (or look at the discussion in general)
Don’t mislead people. The new airframe has the designation 9-41 single and 9-47 double, and then various indexes have already gone.
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9-47S
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