the MiG-29G irl went toe to toe with the F16C
the 29G has 10% less thrust than the A irl, which would mean that the MiG-29A should beat the F16C consistently.
Its engines ingame produce not enough thrust, at only 6800kgf per engine instead of the 7500-8000kgf mentioned in 3 different charts in the Handbook.
That’s a massive increase, though I suppose barely anyone actually plays the Fulcrum in war thunder - I barely see them
2-3 years is completly unlikely, by then it would already be obsolete.
The MiG-29 FM is horrible, even with it was fixed it wouldnt be one of the best ingame, more in the mid range where F16C and F15C sit right now.
The MiG-35 doesnt get anything new, its avionics are pretty identical to what we already got in WT today.
Perfekt update to add tghe MiG-29K wouldve been this one together with the Hornet, as both are naval aircraft.
I mean the F-16 can say the same thing about the weapons kit, the important thing is what those weapons are, coupled with FM. 4/6 pylons only being able to take short range missiles is fine, but those missiles being R-60Ms is completely unacceptable
It really says something about how awful the FM is that I genuinely feel more capable uptiering 23MLD to 12.7/13.0 sim purely because of how it performs in a dogfight
MiG-35 does get all the improvements from the 29M aerodynamically speaking
best mig 29 would be OVT no?
OVT is an aerobatic demonstrator, idk if they’ll ever add it in the game, but it would be basically mig29m with thrust vectoring
it never had weapons systems/weapons?
Afaik no, they only use it in airshows. Theoretically it can equip the same payload as the mig29m but it would be essentially a fictional aircraft, as the russians never actually put missiles on it
Mig-29 ovt it’s MiG-29M 9-15 156 with tvc. 29
M 156 have all systems
This is false.
Both Mig29G and F-16 performed similiar in 1C while F16 excelled in 2C in real trainings.
Mig29’s biggest strength was the R73+HMD combo at that time and even then once F-16 pilots figured it out it was game over for Mig-29.
Stop spreading false information.
Did anybody get to test the MiG-29 with the “cobra button” in the dev server?
Yeah, but at most you can get a r73 off before you die or crash. It’s a bit funny because i feel like It’s comparable to the eurofighter no aoa mode, only less thrust. You don’t have anywhere near the authority of a su30, not even j11.
From what I’ve heard from other people it is roughly equivalent to what the F-16A can pull (without the AOA limit removed). If they cave in and add it for the F-16 (which was only used when entering a spin) we are so cooked.
I don’t think people realize that the aoa limiter should only be used to either get the gun on or a hob shot, after the first turn if your enemy isn’t dead or out of energy too (because you will be) you just got yourself killed.
I never actually found a source saying it couldnt carry those missiles, just that it never did due to being a demonstrator.
But in terms of WT it doesnt if it did carry it - just if it could carry it so that wouldnt really matter
Im using the training reports of the 1994 FGR Luftwaffe exercises, these state that at lower speeds and direct confrontational tactics the MiGs had the overall advantage (even without the Archers)
The F16 where in fact slightly better in the 2 circle (24°/s vs 22°/s), but not in the 1 circles - id like to get a source on how a F16C with G-limiter and AOA-Limiter is supposed to win a 1 circle with a MiG-29, otherwise im calling cap.
From all data I am aware of the F16C is only capable of an instanteneous 26°/s turnrate due to its flight control system - the MIGs on the overhand can reach 28°/s with FCS engaged and ~30°/s or more with the overpull on.
Indeed after their hefty failure in 1994 the pilots did a lot more trainign which resulted in the huge W for the US pilots in the last training exercise of the 29G with US aircraft in 2001 - they used long lasting 2 circle tactics and energy strategies to keep the MiGs slow and reel them up from above - something which in real combat would et you killed by the wingman really fast (even in WT sim this strat is very risky)
Give me sources that prove me wrong before spreading misinformation
As i’ve said before it performs on similiar level, not the same.
And in return Mig looses excessive amount of speed against F-16 which makes it vulnerable against F-16’s 2C performance.
In real life F-16C wouldnt even need to enter to VVR fight thanks to its superior radar, armaments and electronics.
Mig29 is basically blind compare to F16C in real life situations, Mig29 entirely depends on Ground Radars in order to find its target at long ranges while its situational awareness is quite subpar compare to F16C due to lacking advanced RWR and ECM. Not the mention it doesnt even have Fox-3 Missiles which puts Mig29G at quite big disadvantage.
These cons also explained on those exercise by pilots, claiming F-16 will be at disadvantage in real life scenario is nothing but empty claim.
Your own source explains this clearly.
Not to mention current Mig29’s flight performance actually matches real life charts, this was explained multiple times on this thread, its your own fault not to read it properly.
Last but not least Mig29G has the same amount of thrust that 9.13 has, so your claim becomes even more absurd.
which in return means that in a scissor fight, or a pure 1 circle the MiG should still win - you´re just restating what ive said.
Yet ingame the F16C absolutely smokes the MIG-29 in 1 circles for some reason - so either the MiG is underperforming or the F16 is overperforming.
this is pointless - completly.
We are talking about a flight model ingame and compare it to another flight model which it faced in real life.
The entire point of this conversation is about flight performance - the avionics are completly fine on the Fulcrum in warthunder and no one is arguing that.
Back to my old point of “either the F16 is overperforming, or the MiG is underperforming” - apparently its the F16 then, thanks.
A nice way to fix the “uselessness” of the fulcrums in warthunder would be to implement the R27EA actually.
The MiG-29M 9.15 was the test airframe for the R27EA - a fox-3 version of the R27ER.
Would give people a reason to play it, as the flankers cant carry the EA at all.
the MiG-29 9.15 has a lot of stuff in general which is awesome
it has roughly 30% less drag during high AOA maneuvers to to the sharpened wings and LERX.
The Radar got replaced with the Zhuk-10ME which is the only radar I know of capable of guiding the R27EA.
It got 2x extra pylons which can carry R27ERs, so 8x Missiles in total 4x of which are ER/ET/EAs.
And last but not least the 29M got a MAWS which a countermeasure pod that carries 250 Countermeasures - so around 300 Chaff/Flare in total!
its an awesome aircraft in general and I hope gaijin uses the opportunity to give us the R27EA on the 29M as a counterpart to the AIm-120C5 which has been leaked to be in the files.