for reference here is my SEP testing against the 2km alt Nx chart so far - if your unfamiliar this is basically a measure of excess energy and has direct implications on how an aircraft will accelerate, climb and retain energy in turns.
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Still gotta do more tests later but as you can see the curves are in general shifted towards the right and in the case of the 1g line (straight line acceleration) also drastically underperform in magnitude, meaning some particularly poor low speed performance (and in turn some overperforming acceleration at high speeds). Very much explains the current FM in game.
Yeah, i noticed the dev’s mention in some report comments a few days ago that similar Nx charts are available for the su27 - so as long as we can get them we should be able to test exactly the same way.
I see, thanks for explaining, I may know a bit, and I’ve Been wandering in this chat for a long time, seems like the 29 is still underperforming by a long run in some areas… and it’s worrying.
My question would be are you gonna make a bug report about it, is there a chance the devs take this into account ? Would love to finally have a good MiG-29, something that behave similarly.
I’ve seen MiG-23M and Giovanex, BBCRF fix the aircraft over time but I hope it will get better soon thanks to work like yours ;)
Yeah - im gonna do everything i can to make sure the figures are sound and reportable before i do though, since im of the belief that they deliberately gimped the energy retention due to the r73’s - so i’d like to make mine pretty rock solid so they cant just throw it out. I also want to finish getting data on the rest of the curves - 3g, (finish 5G), 6, 7 & 8G. Along with completing my sustained rate testing as well, as i wanted some other suplimentary figures there too. That way it wouldn’t give much wiggle room for gaijin to just shift the problem to another untested area.
Then I’d like to also do some separate calculations to confirm WTRTI SEP numbers based on the local host data, just so gaijin cant toss the report out on the WRTRI only testing clause. But that would be easy enough as on all my tests i record all results from the in game cockpit, WTRTI output & localhost data in real time - so i can just go back through the footage to get the needed LH input values to calculate SEP myself for each datapoint. When i finish all that ill write up both a report for the big discrepancies according to the Nx chart, and a separate one for the sustained rate chart underperformance.
The stupid part any report using datamined info gets thrown out. i saw someone else try and report the mig29 OE and i think trickzter just instantly tossed it just for stating the current OE value from datamine - even though it was well sourced lol. Moronic, makes us test on all these other EM/Nx/SEP charts which only can infer OE numbers but we can’t even report the actual in game OE figure itself.
It would be so much easier to report the actual figures and in game fm curves directly through datamined info instead of doing all this ingame testing. Like we even have bots that generate full fm graphs on demand now - would save so much time.
the “Oswald Efficiency factor” coefficient of an aircraft in the game files is unrelated to the one (ones) in real life. Performance tests like sustained turn and loops are the only thing we can use to compare in game performance with chart/irl performance
ik, the way gaijin has stuff modeled it isn’t directly comparable - but still is a good indicator to look at when assessing the realism of in game FM’s when taking into account everything else
All Mig-29s besides the Mig-29 SMT are technologically & physically incapable of using the HMD with any N019 Radars. The Su27 as well is incapable.
They cannot use HMD with radar whatsoever.
The N019 radar is a Cassegrain antenna like the dish below & was taken from the RP-23 Sapfir iof the Mig-23ML. They are not capable of directional beam control.
Basic Cassegrain Antenna.
Mig-23 RP-23 Sapfir
Mig-29 N019 Cassegrain antenna
Only Planar Array antennas are capable of radar HMD like the F-16C & Mig-29 SMT. Even the Mig-21 Bison has the radar capable.
HMD mode works by physically steering the antenna (just like how the antenna is steered side to side in search mode), not electronically steering the beam.
The MiG-29 can obviously move it’s radar beam side to side and up / down by some means (how is not important). Otherwise it would not be able to search for and track targets.
If the radar beam can be moved in a search pattern what stops those movements from being controlled by the pilot’s HMD?
