I would be more than happy, but I need you to declare right now that the Mig29 is not capable.
So, we can utterly destroy whatever little reputation you had about knowledge of aircraft.
It is, been saying that. Just making the point that the MiG-29’s 90° nose attitude is achieved at ~60 degrees AoA. Been saying that. You keep pushing that 90° true AoA is the benchmark (which is what the Su-27 is doing when you see it’s nose attitude 120° from the ground).
That’s not something the MiG-29 is capable of. The MiG-29 also sits at 90 degrees nose attitude for roughly equal time to the F/A-18, and in fact the longer you hold that the better in regards to high alpha stability and post-stall maneuvers. It’s mention in the TsAGI paper that dynamic attainment should take 5-6s in total.
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Look I will call the F-18 whatever you want. I will call it supermaneuverable, 5th generation and a Naboo N-1 Starfighter ok?
Can we please stop talking about the F-18 in the Mig29 thread? It’s not even in the game or confirmed officially to EVER come. Can we at least wait until a devblog?
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Sure, we can stop talking about it. Just as long as we’re on the same page that the Hornets meet and exceed the requirements to fit Russia’s definition of supermaneuverability.
At this point the subject just keeps changing cuz both parties just want to have the last word, i don’t even remember how it started. Each time i open this thread i find a ton of new messages and even though i’m 90% sure it’s both of them arguing i still scroll down the page hoping to have some news about the fulcrum XD
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Unsourced and nonsensical walls of text
Yeah, worst part is that it’s super unproductive and gets the thread nowhere. Itd be easier of yall didnt talk past eachother and if both of you were willing to actually substantiate each others claims by using actaul sources not just like copy and pasted defintions from wikipedia.
I’ve posted a few dozen sources, Ziggy is still nill
Actually, despite all the ranting our discussions have got the MiG-29 to where it’s at currently. It’s not all for nothing.
It’s better than the RU forum where no discussion is happening at all.
He has a problem with Wiki boys! Lets jump him!
Hey, I explain in my own words like 85% of the time. It just gets hard to repeat.
Welcome to WT community btw.
It’s not only unproductive but also shameful, so much pride involved and insults being distributed for absolute nothing, in the end it’s just a videogame lol
That isn’t the SMT aircraft manual.
Calm down dragon! Thought we boys!
Secondly how much have we learned about these aircraft because of the controversy? Peace and quiet breeds stagnation.
This topic would be all but dead and the Mig29 would have no pending reports if Mig did not consider our debates and points and vice versa.
Additionally you must admit its been very entertaining to follow the back and forth. Stop Dragy.
100% spot on
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I guess in some way ur correct, at least the war kinda helps to keep the thread alive lmao
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Its true, but Russian mains are fully capable to adapt. I mean Its super easy to get kills in the SMT and @MiG_23M would agree. But I honestly think its beside the point.
The model is not fully fleshed out and fine tuned. We do not even have more economy in the engines.
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Literally the best SARH in the game with a radar that can fully notch an enemy and still guide the missile to target. Kinda makes BVR pretty pointless and the addition of FOX-3s won’t fix that. MiG-29SMT will still smoke any AMRAAM slinger specifically because of this.
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Lmao thanks ive been lurking for a while. I dont mind passionate conversation so long as it gets us somewhere. To be honest i have seen no evidence that the mig 29 could be under performing besides your descriptions of soviet doctrine. A preference for a specific attribute (i.e. supermanueverabiltiy) is not enough to assume that the mig 29 must be able to perfectly live up to the doctrine. Documentation of flight characterisitcs exists and that seems to be the best signifier of capability, thus the need for sources
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For me - the main thing I would have liked to have seen is for the a2g capability expanded. The 16C is incredible at a2g, but the SMT doesn’t even have a targeting pod yet.
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I also think they need to roll back some of the radar missile multipathing changes. The effect is so exaggerated that SARHs basically always miss below a certain altitude, and I’m not sure that’s accurate. The Skyflash is documented as being able to reliably hit targets much lower than it currently does, and I have no reason to believe the same wouldn’t apply to more advanced SARHs like the 7M and 27ER. Making SARHs more useful again would further help the SMT.
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But why not? When the F-16C is performing up to doctrine and some.
Its living up to energy maneuverability theory and beyond currently.
I simply just want to do this when a F-16C is on my ass.
Currently if an F-16C is on your six. He has full discretion how that fight starts and ends. He has full capability to reset the fight and come and go as he pleases. The Mig29 has no real capability to reset the dogfight except in dynamic decelerations.
You can do that right now in the F-16C
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