Short but wouldn’t say the shortest
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I 100% agree and there is no way in hell that is modelled correctly.
The Mig29 was designed pefectly for rapid deployment, point intercept. They are always kept full fuel as Mikoyan specifically developed to carry the perfect amount of internal fuel to remain insanely high performing for the specific task at hand. Dogfighting on the front line.
Very true. There are VTOL aircraft I forgot.
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Dogfighting performance was such a high priority to Mikoyan that returning to base was considered not important!
The Mig29 would be operating on the front line and after conducting combat operations it can land in a dirt field somewhere in the many forward operating bases in a perceived war with NATO and they will literally bring a truck out to refuel it or take you back to jump in a another Mig29 because they produced thousands.
The Soviet ideology was that I can literally land a Mig29 in a dirt field and run it off in a ditch, hitch a ride back to base and jump in another the same day, no questions asked.
This was the unique Soviet Union mindset of the Cold War. The United States never had that ideology. It terrified the West, and it is why to this day that US fighter pilots are instructed to stay away from the Fulcrum, do not engage in a close quarter whatsoever if possible. It is a reason that even the F-22 does not fly out unless in two-ship or more. Because of the widely available 1v1 specialization and high off boresight capability of the Mig29.
How is anyone who is not an analyst going to tell us the retired legacy hornet the F-18A/C, having a far weaker thrust, carrying more fuel (10,8600lb) is going to perform on par with an Mig29 with a 1:09 thrust ratio at full internal fuel (7,716lb) and high off boresight capability? It is such a dumb claim.
There is no such aircraft in the US inventory so designed for phone booth knife fighting that landing back at original runway was brushed off as not important.
That was my morning rant about the Mig29. Hope you guys are enjoying your weekend!
What do you make of the Yugoslavian manual and their graphs then? Surely there would be some absurdly large discrepancy in the performance of the aircraft if what you say is true?
We can investigate this properly is all I’m saying.
I thought sources that originate from the aircraft’s country-of-origin trump sources of that aircraft from the outside say… the United States.
If I remember correctly, long ago a report done about the Mig-19 was overperforming and the source used was CIA flight manual and or test flight data. (CIA pilots were running top secret aggressor squadrons with captured MiGs before constant peg)
Simply the Mod at the time (forgot who) stated that country of origin in this case the Union/Moscow overrides CIA sources.
In this case Serbia and Montenegro are not under the jurisdiction of Moscow or the Russian Federation. Yugoslavia is no more.
What are your thoughts? @BBCRF
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Don’t underestimate the hornet.It’s pretty good at low speeds.
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This thread just gets more mind numbing the day jfc
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True, its a cool jet. But its not as good as the Mig29 in low speed and transonic flight. The Legacy hornet didn’t evolve to take on the high lift qualities of the Fulcrum for nothing either such as larger curved LERX and high lift fuselage by flattening the intakes.
Shut the F up
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There is my boy oopsie whom I missed!
Was about to start calling you OopsieDaisy.
Well, Fulcrum has changed too
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It most certainly has. It actually took on wings similar to the Super hornet in the K (critical for carrier capability)
However, In regard to high alpha flight. The Hornet adopted the Mig29s pattern in the curved LERX and high lift integral design.
This is a classic layout, not an integral one
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You think so? look at the slants on the belly of the intakes for higher lift in fuselage.
Perhaps you are right. Not an integral design, but definite efforts were made to generate more lift in the fuselage. The F-18 has very low fuselage surface area to begin with.
Reduced sweep,increased wingspan, larger swells
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Same with the Mig29K. Its needs it for carrier operations. Not alpha flight.
Notice the larger similar elevators of the Super.
Can you find better diagrams of the migs please. I am sure you will have better luck.
The wider spaced engines are interesting and should be noted. They took the Tomcats designed approach placing the hook between instead of the Hornets because placing them closer together will degrade the high lift features of the Fulcrum.
Additionally it MUST be noted that even the elevators have dog tooth leading edges to maintain the boundary lawyer and maximize controllability in high alpha flight.
This thing should smoke the super Hornet in a stall speed knife fight imo. Yes, the hornet is great a low speed. But by the American standard.
The Russian standard would say it is good. But not the best.
Only the Russians prioritize High alpha flight above all nations.