in Wt in air RB it might be :
1- * F-16C
2- * Su-27
3- * Mig-29 (base model)
4- * F-15
5- * Gripen
6- * Mig-29 SMT
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the f15 would be pretty close to the mig29 in terms of maneuverability, the fulcrum might rate a liiiiiil bit better but nothing exceptional
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isn’t its thrust to weight much higher though or am i wrong on that
Not quite, because he swears everything he has stated is declared matter of fact, when actually everything he says is in direct conflict of another statement he’s made down the line. I find it quite hilarious in pointing it out. Others do as well.
When you make up stuff it derails the productivity of the topic and also of getting the community to come to one agreement on anything. He does nothing but splits the community to stroke ego.
Unless he can take personal credit in some form, any thought you or anyone may have about the game or research that does not align with his narrative is unfounded and unverified.
He has disregarded everything you have to say thus far, and you know this. Though he has done it very politely.
I always hear praise about how much nose authority the Su-27 has (especially in games like DCS), but I actually don’t know if this is referring to the later variants, or just in comparison to US planes in general. I also rarely see it talked about when comparing the Su-27 to the Mig-29, so it had me really curious as to how it would perform compared to what we currently have ingame I suppose.
I personally really love fighters that have nose authority in WT, so it would be nice to have a general explanation in reference to something I’m familiar with, like the Mig-29 or F-16 ingame.
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~1.04 for the f15 and ~1.09 for the 29
mig29 should beat any f16 in 1c but thats not the case in wt, so i guess we will have to wait to see how buffed or nerfed the su27 will be compared to the f15
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early flankers already were monsters when talking about nose authority, i don’t think any fighter of 80s and 90s could beat them on that matter. In rb it might get it’s full capabilities limited tho, just like the mig29, it’ll all depend on how the devs will make the instructor behave. In sim it’ll destroy everything in 1C and on 2c i’m not sure, but i believe it’ll be formidable aswell
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Has there been a bug report submitted about the overperforming F-16 FM? If so, has it been acknowledged by the developers?
I’m currently wondering if they’ll get around to fixing the F-16 flightmodel by the time the next patch rolls around, otherwise it’ll be pretty nutty seeing F-16s dominate Su-27s in the 1 circle in RB matches
yes, @MiG_23M did the bug report and it was ackowledged by gaijin but they didnt fixed the f16 fm 100%, it still overperforms a lot, I think mig23m can explain better why
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They recognized that their f16 is pure scifi but they said that they can’t fix them for now, otherwise it’ll “brick” mouse aim. In my personal opinion they are not nerfing the f16 because it’s counterpart is currently superior in terms of bvr, the famous “balance” excuse, IMO, once they give amraams for the americans, they’ll nerf the plane.
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The F-16C & D is overperforming because the Mig29 is underperforming. If the F-16C & D is dropped any further other 3rd Gen aircraft will perform on par in alpha and turn rate.
We need to take into account that many 3rd generation aircraft perform far better than they ever did irl in WT and stop looking through such a narrow lense of just two aircraft in the entire game.
(JH-7A, J7E and even some phantoms and Mig23s)
no, sorry zig, the f16C and the D as far as i know they seem ok compared to the 29, the 9.13 and 9.12 can easily beat them in 1c while they got the advantage at 2 circle and energy (which makes sense imo all f16s should be like that), the smt cant be on par with them cause that thing is a damn boat
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Let me be more specific, my apologies.
They can dogfight at high speeds far beyond what the Mig29 is capable. Even if flown with perfect skill, no mistake. Only the G can.
They have crap ton more flares carried internally, especially the D.
Their roll and pitch at low speed is superior to the Fulcrum (big issue right there for me).
The Mig-29 is far more unforgiving than the F-16C when a mistake is made. That is historical. But players can fly a perfect match and can still get out turned and gunned by the C. Its just the way it is currently. Unless someone can just make the claim. The F-16C is just a superior aircraft over any fulcrum.
The newer ones are thousands of pounds heavier than the SMT and barely have a 7% thrust increase for the poorly modelled RD-33s?
Su-27 will be untouchable unless they fuck it over like they did the mig29 (which will probably happen, can’t upset the shitters)
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i don’t want to be pessimistic but i agree with you, they’ll probably mess up the jet
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Doesn’t it rival the f15 i don’t think it would be untouchable but the one of the best in the game yeah
if you play multiple nations on air rb, only then you will truly realise how handheld USA is on air
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as far as the meta goes, it suits it like a glove
I do and i know, unfortunately