I love the irony of someone calling things propaganda and bias, while spouting propaganda and bias.
Some people really don’t know the flavor of Kool-Aid they’ve been drinking.
It’s not though. There is a flight computer limiter, the same as the mig29s. The fact that you want the f-16 to have it and not the mig29 shows how much of a vatnik you are.
MiG29 does not have the fly by wire system like F16 and no such G-Limiter present in aircraft.
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Regular Mig29 models doesnt have FWB system, only later models did recieve that.
Not to mention Mig29 can pull more then 9G’s in real life while its stuck with 11G in WarThunder with current flight model.
Also who i said i wanted to limit F-16’s to 9G? İ was one of the person who always said F-16’s should be able to pull 13.5G instead of getting stuck with 7-9G like how they did on previous uptade.
Again you’re the one who’s doing double policy not me.
Stop replying to SlowHandClap, he’s clearly derailing the thread on purpose.
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Please remain on topic, and also remain civil. I will summon the Forum Mods if it continues.
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This was the last relevant comment on the thread, if we could get back to the issue.
The MiG-29 is underperforming…
@Giovanex05 has made a bug report in an attempt to fix the issue.
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Yes, I’m aware which is why I asked him if he thinks the MiG-29 known for it’s ability to quickly recover from post-stall maneuvering (something it can’t do in-game right now)… is accurate or not.
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oh ok, didn’t know you had already seen their response in the bug report
Seems the devs be on thier bs as usual. If only they could actually make a decent fm. Mig29 can’t do most of what it can in reality meanwhile f16 has a totally accurate fm and isn’t over performing in the slightest. /s
Looks like the mig29 is the new do335.
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I just don’t understand how this aircraft (standard configuration 9-12) is performing these maneuvers in real life at airshows… which proves it’s easy and repeatable. It’s not something done in lieu of certain risks, it is a standard part of the airshow and was deemed safe for the spectators below. In-game any attempt at such low speed banking or turns after a failed Cobra would result in unrecoverable spins conditions.
Not only this, but the report did not fix the AoA as they claimed. The aircraft still does not do 50 - 60 degrees as they claimed it would when they fixed it.
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New report since they didn’t fix it the first time (and made it worse).
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/YUEVxqaLf1xw
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Is your complaint that the mig29 can’t do Cobras, or that it burns energy too quickly?
should be both, burns so much energy without pulling any aoa
but then at 1400kmh it goes back to not losing any energy while pulling the same aoa, such a strange fm
The MiG-29 currently has too much loss of lift at too little AoA. It should increase in lift until a certain point, and then thereafter the AoA decreases until zero. For the MiG-29 flow separation happens between 50 and 60 degrees AoA.
In war thunder, instead of the aircraft continuing it’s vertical acceleration resulting in a 90 degree AoA (Cobra), the MiG-29 has a maximum vertical travel of 47 degrees and then stalls completely. This is not accurate to any documentation, studies, or videos of the aircraft that have ever existed.
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That’s fair enough, but there are plenty of jets which can’t pull anywhere near as much AoA as they probably could do. I know the Tornado F.3 doesn’t pull enough AoA because of the unit conversion used in the manuals. I assumed they don’t want the mig29 pulling cobras every time someone tries to initiate a turn and dump all their energy. In the video you linked the commentator mentions a mechanical stop - perhaps that is what is modeled in game?
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Dampening is modeled in-game. It prevents you from exceeding the sustainable AoA limits (24-26 degrees). It should also be noted that exceeding these limits (post-stall area, 50-60 degrees) is only possible (safely) at lower airspeeds where it pulls less than 9G, and the aircraft is not rolling / yawing.
In full real, without SAS, the MiG-29 should be allowed to pull the full range of nose authority allowed to it. It’s not very useful in the form of the Cobra, but there are specific scenarios that it is quite useful for such as overshoots, scissors, lead turns, etc.
Even if it was going to be limited to 50-60 degrees, the instability currently is so high that you end up in unrecoverable flatspins. This makes the aircraft nearly impossible to use in simulator matches where often 1v1s happen and result in dogfights. We’re lucky it has the R-73 but even that doesn’t quite make up for the issue either.