Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Fulcrum - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 1)

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Bro, what is the thrust to weight of the MiG-29G.

I understand you want them to like you, but they never will. I need you to help fix the MiG-29.

Because you failed at something, given up & sat down, you now go with the narrative they shoved in your face that you were wrong the entire time?

Therefore, you now exist only to deter others from taking up where you left off? Why???
Because if no one else succeeds, that somehow will make you feel less of a failure & a quitter?

Fascinating mentality you carry.

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What was it meant to combat, the alien ships from Independence Day?

Who was the existential threat to the USA at the time of the ATF program?
I can pull up the congressional call for funding for the advanced tactical fighter program if you like, they mention MiG-29 by name.

So, just to be clear, you are saying the USAF just woke up one day randomly and was like, “yooo, we need to buy a fleet of immense thrust to weight ratio, thrust vectoring air superiority fighters”.
Not because the Soviet Union revealed they had a mass produced, ridiculous number of 1:1 thrust to weight fighters (Mig-29), handed them out like candy, many even nuclear delivery capable that can pull immense angles of attack with high off bore capability.… Nope, just happened to be a coincidence & politics huh?

Yeah, pretty smoked out theory you got there.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what happens when you do not read books & your entire perception of history and technology is limited to the video games you play.

The United States does not develop on imaginary future threats, they develop and fund on perceived, existing ones. This is why the need for the 5th generation was declared. It is why the 6th generation was declared as well.

Yes, because the delta wing is already unstable at high angles of attack and generates immense drag if unregulated. The Delta wing profile the French uses is a 3rd generation base design that prioritizes supersonic flight and aerodynamic efficiency in that regime. Until fly-by wire came, they were desperate to develop a fighter that can fill the gap in the meantime, that is why they abandoned the delta for a bit and focused on the F1.

The Mirage 2000 neither possess the thrust to weight ratio to go vertical at will & dogfight stamina in number of engines to the MiG-29 to ever compare. This is common knowledge.

They are not aerodynamically perfected like the MiG-29 and F-15. These aircraft did not need flyby wiring and did not have it for a very long time.

Because a fighter requires digital flight controls for a human pilot to manage its instability & overcome its older design limitations does not mean they are better than aerodynamically perfected aircraft of the 4th generation like the MiG-29, F-15 & definitely not the Su-27 though it has digital flight control.

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The RD-33 does in fact produce 81.3 kN which is about 8300kg and more modern versions of the RD-33 can even reach 88 kN. And in real life the MiG-29SMT features the RD-33K which has 86 kN. And the Naval variants like the RD-33MK has 88 kN. No offence but you don’t need to be a mastermind to find this out. The MiG-29 in game lacks the performance it has IRL. This is a realistic game. And sure yes, The MiG-29 in game can do 28 degrees but It cant keep it. It falls out of the sky. When flying the MiG-29 it feels like the air is 2 times thicker. And it also feels as if the air is only lifting on the wings not the body/fuselage as well. The MiG-29 is a record breaking plane but cant break any records in this game cause they don’t give it its true form. Imagine if they add for example a modern mig29 and then build it of the almost prototype like model and have it do 20 degrees with like 7 tonnes in each engine. For example the MiG-29M2/35 can do a sustained 30 degree turn as well but it cant keep that performing rate if it does not have power or the recourses the other Mig-29’s lack too.

Baseline RD-33: 81.3 kN | MiG-29 9.12/13

RD-33MK : 88 kN | MiG-29K/KUB

RD-33K: 86 kN | MiG.29M/SMT

This information is available publicly.
You can either dig in internet archive (Make sure its a trusted and safe source)
All the info is out there. And there are tapes from the 9.12G (In USA and Germany) doing things like Ziggy is mentioning for example. Romanian as well. The MiG.29 deserves to be as good as it is. And so does every other plane.

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mig-29smt does not use rd33k

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which one 9.19 or 9.17?

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He does not know that the SMT comes out in multiple production batches. The MiG-29 SMT we have in-game is the SMT-2.

This is the brain rot that fills the forum. They are programmed to think that every single MiG-29 ever is modelled like the initial production from years before the Soviet Union dissolved.

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oh, fair. 9.19 idk. but the original 9.17 used series 3 if i remember right. But i doubt that 9.19r uses anything other than rd-33 series 3 as well

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It should be able to go to atleast 83 kN which is still greater than the 9.13 and 12. It should have more powerful engines never the less.

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Even if it turns out the MiG-29SMT2 does not have the K variant it still features more thrust, ETC.

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series 3 is the same as rd-33 baseline, just with more service life no? so 8300 kgf on a bench?

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Yes series 3 and baseline is the same on performance other than lifetime. But the SMT2 has upgraded engines. Everyone was screaming about it when it dropped. I’m pretty sure it has the extra thrust cause of the massive electronic and fuel hump behind the canopy. It flies arguably worse than its cousins but should still feature its true form respectfully.

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MiG-29 models
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If this sums it up. Guess which one is which.

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Get over it already…

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Fill me in. What’s the deal?

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RD-33K was dropped at the time of 9.15 and 9.31 iirc. Nowadays there is either RD-33 or RD-33MK

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(slightly wrong, should be 8 hardpoints not 9)
some of the lowest quality images ive ever seen

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well, if you refer to it as hardpoints - it is actually correct for MiG-29M and wrong for MiG-29S (should be 7). But for “missile racks”, yeah, should be only 8. Hardpoint between nacelles is still a hardpoint even if you can only place a fuel tank there.

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“Excess engine thrust” = thrust-to-weight ratio

This phrasing comes from Russian/Soviet aerospace documentation, where the term “excess thrust” (избыточная тяга) is often used interchangeably with thrust-to-weight ratio

Russian shorthand for "this aircraft has 1.5 times more thrust than its weight.”

8,300kgf is 100% installed thrust.

Appreciate you posting this.

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There is no need to actively troll on this thread. It clearly shows the 8300 kg figure, which is the bench thrust for the motor.

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I want everyone to remember this statement of yours because Gaijin will implement the aircraft’s static thrust at sea level, standard day eventually.

They will have to in order to bring any new MiG-29’s at top tier beyond the SMT to the game. This is why they have been reluctant to for so long.

Incorrect. That is gross misconception parroted on the forum for years.

Please refer to the following for educational purposes.

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