We still need to improve the SMT FM because if they leave it the Su27 is going to be just as bad. I am not too worried though. We will have a better idea this week where GJ is going with this mig29 model.
Oh boy, this topic is getting interesting with every new post…
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gaijin will not F up their flagship new LARGE 4th gen fighter, mig-29 and f-16 are small fighters, the SU-27 is a big deal, they will advertise it everywhere
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İn a favor of F-15 they might just do that.
You are right. But the SMT is a very big deal as well.
It is so frustrating not being able to roll or pitch out of the way on an oncoming sparrow that any fighter can do better than the SMT. Even the Tornado.
Even the ASA has more response to pitch.
Yeah we can see how much GAIJIN cared about SMT with it’s still not fixed garbage FM , SPO-15, and still lacking 56 large caliber countermeasures
Well, I am giving them this week. Mig said we should see some pitch etc. However, I do not think it will solve the whole problem because poor recovery and acceleration. I keep forgetting that SMT or not. This Jet is a very high thrust to weight.
Higher than the Su27 and it should be able to toss around. I do not believe we are feeling to true thrust of the jet imo.
Adding the alpha and nose authority will be highly appreciated. But without the thrust to recover we are going to dump more speed in dogfights with every input and with little chance of recovery and find ourselves sitting ducks.
I believe the Su27 is coming before the F15. Because we still have the F14 that is held back in radar performance and still have not modeled the aim7M or aim54C. They are going to have to give its performance eventually. I think they are waiting for the Su27 for that. Another reason they may give us the Su27 first is that they buffed all F16s. So, the sheer number of F16s, F14s and new inanely good F15s would be overwhelming.
To give the F15 alongside the su27 would actually put the Soviet/Federation tech tree at a huge disadvantage (I never say that lightly). It is a bigger jet, a huge jet actually and a F15 being supported by hordes of F16s is not something I want to deal with especially if the SMT is in this state.
But that’s just my speculation.
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AIM-7M is already modelled, its just that most other SARHs without the monopulse seeker aren’t correctly modeled (According to Stepanovich).
AIM-54C is really only the smokeless motor. They refuse to adjust/modify any of the important factors like G-pull.
They are comparable in size
F14 is even bigger
IIRC it still hits its very high TWR (something like 22,000kgf max?) but its power curve means it only gets that thrust around like 600kph
My report is for 9-12 and 9-13 models, I didn’t report SMT on anything yet because we lack sources that are available / unrestricted. Appears it should have a full FBW though.
They are actually adjusting a LOT of things with AIM-54 right now to my knowledge. Not just reduced smoke motor and G-pull but speed, range, motor performance, seeker performance… proxy fuse, etc.
Thats why I said GJ is going to upgrade the missile eventually… Thank you?
Yea thats a proper logic to think and add vehicles so they can counter each other.
The thing is, will Gaijin go through that road with this logic?
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I was replying to Pyroraptor… thanks?
Iduno you guys (not you) are slowly convincing me that GJ is now building a hedge around the West lol.
So I am getting a little woried.
İ believe Gaijin chose this path because of marketing mostly.
Remember what happened when they showed us Viggen for the first time? Everyone was so hyped and ready to grind that plane, just like when they showed Tomcat and F-16.
Russia has Also very iconic jets in 4th gen, Mig29,Sukhoi 27 both are legendary in terms of legacy, but i believe western planes will bring more profit then Eastern planes.
Just imagine how much profit will they earn when they introduce Legendary Eagle, the plane that has zero loss and 104 kill score.
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Yes, and if they make the eagle anything short of OP there might be another boycott lol.
Thats why I think they are going to give us the Su27 first. Iron out all the issues and fine tune it first before 3 nations get the F15 all at the same time.
The Israeli one used python’s good lord. Omg I can see it now. They need to get this SMT propper and the Su27 first and give China its first variation of the Flanker/J-10 too.
F-15 is a sidestep from the F-14 tbh, idk why it’s expected to be “OP”… as far as it’s relevance to the game it will be a important stepping stone for Japan until we get to the point of them adding the Mitsubishi F-2.
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Yeah, AMRAAM capability doesn’t show up until F15C MSIP II, that leaves an entire earlier variant and two upgrade cycles between the basic airframe and BVRAAM capability.
iirc the basic C was entering service right after the MLD in ~'82. Still just sparrows, sidewinders, and the Vulcan.
F14 is arguably more advanced because until MSIP II (mid 90’s) it was the only aircraft in service with active radar missiles
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I don’t know what any of that has to do with how it’s gonna be no better / worse than the F-14s…
Most of the F15 kills were done in the Middles East without AMRAAMS.
Yeah, that’s overlooked but in-game the F-15 / F-14 will just be variety in the tech tree and introductory dates aren’t really relevant for the game.