We’d prefer you just linked the story instead of inaccurately laying it out to us… as of now it just seems like troll / bait text with the amount of inaccurate stuff you’re sharing.
What is inaccurate about it? How is it trolling? Its literally history. Because it offends you?
Thats your problem
I said the Su27 is the one with the advanced radar.
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Well, as stated the N019(MP) radar was only fitted to the 9-17 SMT-1 prototypes… SMT model in-game uses N010M…
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the word derivative check it out.
Additionally, you do not know a thing about it. So how do you know I am I inaccurately laying anything out? What was inaccurate with what I shared? Interesting.
Its not like I am posting magazine articles clippings from unknown Matra officials as technical sources, right?
The in-game model uses N010M so if you have a source stating otherwise I’m gonna go with that, that’s all. I’m not caught up in the conversation it seems, Where did the impression it used that radar (N019) come from?
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I know this hits an emotional spot for some odd reason. But I already said many of the issues with the Mig29 radar was addressed at the time of the SMT…
Its still a derivative of the original compromised radar.
Who said or indicated the NO19 was inside the SMT? WHO?
Phasatron is the only developer and manufacturer of radars for the MiG-29
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Yes… Very good.
I must have missed it, you have a reliable source for this information?
The last I read into it, the N019 Topaz / Rubin were completely separate developments of the Zhuk series.
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If you read it, show it to me. what is absolutely different about it?
Or at least explain in your own words. Surely you can do that right?
You’re asking me to explain the differences between two entirely different series of air to air radar? This is almost like asking someone to describe the differences between AWG-9 and APG-71. Surely both are mounted on the F-14 at some point… they must have lineage…
Lol he gives me an example of a radar that is a derivative of the AWG9.
So, if there is lineage… that means the NO10M is a derivative of the NO19…
Yes, it’s a great example. Most (if not all) parts are replaced, it is no longer an AWG-9. Ship of Theseus comes to mind. Shares 85% commonality with APG-70.
Regarding N019 and N010, same company built both… of course they will be similar in design albeit totally incompatible with each other parts wise on the other hand of things.
An aircraft comparison would be MiG-23 vs MiG-29… MLD shares some features from MiG-29 9-12, does not mean the 9-12 has direct lineage aside manufacturer and shares few parts.
You are not getting away that easy. Are you saying the Soviets made these two radars completely incompatible with parts though they are for the same Jet? Though one is a derivative of the other? Facinating
When literally almost all aircraft share same parts to some degree or the other. It is literally soviet doctrine not to over complicate weapon systems.
Not a single part is compatible one with the other? Please source that.
You just do not like to concede on anything. I am not going to do the mental gymnastics it’s too exhausting. Stop please.
I will compile what I can about what was exactly shared by Adolf Tolkachev tomorrow and add or retract conclusions if they come. GN.
Yes, the two radars are not derivative of each other. They are simply made using similar technologies.
If you’d read the book presented to you instead of making assumptions of things I did not say…
Seems some variants of N019 and N001 coincided with shared parts between MiG-29 and Su-27
Then later, N010 and N011 the same… simplifies logistics. No mention of connection between N019 and N010 and the parts look nothing alike.
You could also just do a quick google search and find out quite a lot about both of these radars as it seems as well, but you are making all these opinions based on what seems like zero research…
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One is newer and more compact.
Hey do you remember the part where I said the Soviets addressed all the issues with the N019 in the SMT lol.
You thought I said they had the same radar! Now you are arguing semantics. Bro go to sleep. GN
You are even going so far to declare not a single piece is common amongst the two with pictures?! lol you do not know this. None of us do.
Regardless it’s still a derivative of the original NO19 like you just conceded. “There must be lineage.”
Please stop. GN.
They will just add the Su-27 then, it is probably coming in November or December
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Unfounded opinion. The compromised radar was not necessarily a development of the MiG-23 radar as the MiG-23’s is not a fully coherent pulse doppler, the MiG-29s is by all means a proper pulse doppler and not “MTI” based radar. Where the MiG-23 had a sort of pseudo CW emissions device, the MiG-29 did not.
Here is the MiG-23 radar with the CWI emissions device visible.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1111845219730735176/1111849743170162808/116.JPG?ex=651a30c3&is=6518df43&hm=28874ed565d2730ddb3fc5d5812e9e4fda360fbb95864e3f6ba307935938cfc5&=&width=1174&height=783
Unfounded opinion (issues with original radar were not overcome, radar was entirely replaced). As shown above, the Zhuk series is not the same as the N019 Rubin (modified shortly after the Spy released information on the radar to “Topaz” variant). This improved ECCM and prevented concerns about their radar being completely worthless, never the less they sought a radar set that met their needs.
Unfounded opinion, you didn’t even bother to ask me. How could you know what I know? You’ve stated many many many inaccurate things, I could not be bothered to correct them until now…
Unfounded opinion, They made the N010M and other sets.
Completely wrong opinion in case of their MiG-29 series radars… they were the only company making radars for MiG-29, how could their dedicated radars for MiG-29 not fit?
Again, the N019 is not the same as the MiG-23’s radar. It just used a similar type of antenna. The two operate on very different principles.
TL;DR Sapfir is not Rubin or Topaz, and Topaz is not Zhuk. They are all different series of radars, the Rubin used a twist-cassegrain antenna, that does not make it a derivative of the Sapfir. The Zhuk is similarly, not a Topaz derivative. They are all their own radars… GN
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this is getting weird.
ok, you are right. They are completely new designs. You are right, there is not a single piece of that radar that is compatible one with the other because that would make it a derivative. Mmhmm sure. I have no idea how you would know that, but ok sure.
Also, I do not remember, but I must of said somewhere the NO19 was in the SMT (never did).
You happy? Are you done?