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Phazotron OKB-339 never developed an advance radar for the Mig29. Because their radar did not fit. Soviets resorted to using an upgraded version of the Mig23 radar which was already completely exploited by the US. This radar was called the NO19. All Mig29 radars are derivatives of the Mig23 radar. Not only that, Adolf Tolkachev who worked at Phazotron gave the CIA all the details for the Mig29s radar & also R-23,R-24, R-33, R-27 R-60 S-300, MiG-31and Su-27.
“The Billion Dollar Spy”
The Su27 had the advanced radar. Mig29 radar was a cheap alternative in which the US already knew everything they needed to know about. Nothing impressive about it. Been reading it all day.
Have you read this history? It’s awesome.
We’d prefer you just linked the story instead of inaccurately laying it out to us… as of now it just seems like troll / bait text with the amount of inaccurate stuff you’re sharing.
What is inaccurate about it? How is it trolling? Its literally history. Because it offends you?
Thats your problem
I said the Su27 is the one with the advanced radar.
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Well, as stated the N019(MP) radar was only fitted to the 9-17 SMT-1 prototypes… SMT model in-game uses N010M…
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the word derivative check it out.
Additionally, you do not know a thing about it. So how do you know I am I inaccurately laying anything out? What was inaccurate with what I shared? Interesting.
Its not like I am posting magazine articles clippings from unknown Matra officials as technical sources, right?
The in-game model uses N010M so if you have a source stating otherwise I’m gonna go with that, that’s all. I’m not caught up in the conversation it seems, Where did the impression it used that radar (N019) come from?
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I know this hits an emotional spot for some odd reason. But I already said many of the issues with the Mig29 radar was addressed at the time of the SMT…
Its still a derivative of the original compromised radar.
Who said or indicated the NO19 was inside the SMT? WHO?
Phasatron is the only developer and manufacturer of radars for the MiG-29
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Yes… Very good.
I must have missed it, you have a reliable source for this information?
The last I read into it, the N019 Topaz / Rubin were completely separate developments of the Zhuk series.
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If you read it, show it to me. what is absolutely different about it?
Or at least explain in your own words. Surely you can do that right?
You’re asking me to explain the differences between two entirely different series of air to air radar? This is almost like asking someone to describe the differences between AWG-9 and APG-71. Surely both are mounted on the F-14 at some point… they must have lineage…
Lol he gives me an example of a radar that is a derivative of the AWG9.
So, if there is lineage… that means the NO10M is a derivative of the NO19…
Yes, it’s a great example. Most (if not all) parts are replaced, it is no longer an AWG-9. Ship of Theseus comes to mind. Shares 85% commonality with APG-70.
Regarding N019 and N010, same company built both… of course they will be similar in design albeit totally incompatible with each other parts wise on the other hand of things.
An aircraft comparison would be MiG-23 vs MiG-29… MLD shares some features from MiG-29 9-12, does not mean the 9-12 has direct lineage aside manufacturer and shares few parts.
You are not getting away that easy. Are you saying the Soviets made these two radars completely incompatible with parts though they are for the same Jet? Though one is a derivative of the other? Facinating
When literally almost all aircraft share same parts to some degree or the other. It is literally soviet doctrine not to over complicate weapon systems.
Not a single part is compatible one with the other? Please source that.
You just do not like to concede on anything. I am not going to do the mental gymnastics it’s too exhausting. Stop please.
I will compile what I can about what was exactly shared by Adolf Tolkachev tomorrow and add or retract conclusions if they come. GN.
Yes, the two radars are not derivative of each other. They are simply made using similar technologies.
If you’d read the book presented to you instead of making assumptions of things I did not say…
Seems some variants of N019 and N001 coincided with shared parts between MiG-29 and Su-27
Then later, N010 and N011 the same… simplifies logistics. No mention of connection between N019 and N010 and the parts look nothing alike.
You could also just do a quick google search and find out quite a lot about both of these radars as it seems as well, but you are making all these opinions based on what seems like zero research…
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One is newer and more compact.
Hey do you remember the part where I said the Soviets addressed all the issues with the N019 in the SMT lol.
You thought I said they had the same radar! Now you are arguing semantics. Bro go to sleep. GN
You are even going so far to declare not a single piece is common amongst the two with pictures?! lol you do not know this. None of us do.
Regardless it’s still a derivative of the original NO19 like you just conceded. “There must be lineage.”
Please stop. GN.
They will just add the Su-27 then, it is probably coming in November or December
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