i stand on the ziggys side xd
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LMFAO this is classic.
But wayyy overexaggerated. Which I love.
Mig29 FM is the city in flames you forgot to put.
Additionally, you are absolutely right. It does not say what other degrees below are classified as supermaneuverable. You and @MiG_23M are correct.
But what it does cover is up to 60-degree alpha in the study of High maneuverability.
The author discuses supermaneuvrability at 90°, additionally most supermaneuverable regimes or “dynamic attainment” (I think all) consist of 90° maneuvers.
For example, the Pugachev’s Cobra is done properly at 90° and even a little flare of above. The Mig29 is capable as well as the Su27.
So it is appropriate to say that 90° is the standard. However, what other degrees fall under the ubrella of “supermaneuverable” I have yet to find. I am open to suggestions and your research.
F-18s and F-35s are incapable of doing this.
Exact falling leaf that the Su57 did in Top Gun.
The falling leaf is actually mentioned by name and the performance as well as how it’s done is described in the F/A-18A NATOPS. The FLCS has modes specifically to allow such maneuvers. Even the Cobra is possible, just not permitted. (It’s not permitted in the MiG-29 manual either).
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Pugachev’s Cobra the F18 is incapable. Please show of 90 degrees but do it in the F-18 thread.
I am trying to get this aircraft its correct alpha and not turn this into an “America! F yeah!” Trump Rally. Thank you.
The Fulcrum is not capable of the falling leaf at 90 degrees as far as I know, but the F-18 is? If what you say is true, then we can monitor it when it’s released.
But in the meantime, the Mig29 is the issue at hand.
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What are you talking about. You know that is the bs excuse on behalf of devs.
You even posted a video of the Mig29 performing the cobra and the announcers were even stating that the Mig29 needs no flight control that the aircraft is so barebones and mechanically driven by the pilot even the airbrakes are pneumatic.
MY 1972 VW beetle uses pneumatic brakes. Completely mechanical.
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Can you guys imagine how utterly cool it would be to do this in Air RB while defeating an incoming missile with chaff/flare and slinging a HOB R73 at someone as they fly by?
As you can see the Flanker immediately regains lift. The F-18 may perform a falling leaf but it’s not going to recover lift like the Flanker. I highly doubt.
Instead, it will fall for a while before it regains speed and lift due to its weak thrust and non-integral design.
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That is why the F-18 is not considered supermaneuverable and lacks post stall capability. It cannot regain lift and keep going like the Fulcrum and Flanker.
High thrust to weight & engine-versus-inlet compatibility
The F-18 may do all the falling leaves in the world, but I guarantee you it will continue to fall for quite some time with nothing the pilot can do but wait until he recovers lift.
Does any of this make sense my brothers?
So > 68 knots and AoA of 40 degrees or less
For the MiG-29 you can double the airspeed and half the AoA for “recovery”.
One of these is considered supermaneuverable in literature, the other just meets and exceeds all the requirements according to the Russian definition.
By all means, this is a Cobra. Nose attitude 90 degrees, hangs in the air, recovers without loss of altitude. Immediately begins a sharp turn after nose is level to the ground.
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Yeah its a super hornet and it was still sloppy and slow af. I guarantee it was min fuel as well.
Every single maneuver done after was unimpressive, not considered supermaneuverable and nothing on par to the agility of the Fulcrum and Flanker.
Do you understand that every single clip after was just basic flying? That was a Super Hornet btw.
Pretty cool video though. Thanks, wish you placed it in the correct thread.
ADDITIONALLY. The cobra he did not remain slightly level flight. It was a vertical climb and level.
It was not a cobra.
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I haven’t kept up (like 500 messages) but why are you lot arguing about supermaneuvrability again? and the hornet for some reason?
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The legacy hornet is known for the Pirouette maneuver, something only other “Supermaneuverable” fighters are capable of doing. It’s holding a steady 45+ degrees AoA and spinning laterally.
This is not done in airshows, but it is also mentioned in the manuals and can be seen in DCS here how they perform the maneuver (take that with a grain of salt, since it is in fact DCS).
The F-35 can do similar, at even higher angles of attack. Known as the falling leaf. The MiG-29 cannot do this.
Um thanks for sharing another video games youtube video about a aircraft that is not the Mig29 in the Mig29 thread.
Stop derailing. PLEASE
I promise I will go to the F-18 thread if you wish to make this an “AMERICA F YEAH!!” Trump Rally.
This is the Mig29 thread.
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I was trying to find if any blue angels did any cobras (as the blue angels use f/a18s) and i couldn’t find any but plenty of flankers and raptors doing it
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very good point. I did not think of that.
I do not believe that was a cobra it was a high alpha vertical climb and pitch down. Lots of western fighters do that as it looks like the aircraft is floating.
I forgot what the exact airshow maneuver was called.
You see how utterly slow that “tactical” manuever was?
Supermaneuverability is the capability of fighter aircraft to execute tactical maneuvers that are not possible with purely aerodynamic techniques.
That did not look very tactical and if there was a fighter on his tail he would just slightly pitch up and gun him.
Dynamic deceleration aka Cobra happens at much higher speeds.
Additionally you see how long the super hornet was able to stay vertical? Less than 2 seconds he was forced to level out lest he stall and die.
That was a perfect demonstration of the poor thrust to weight. He dropped that thing the nanosecond he felt critical loss of lift was about to occur.
The Mig29, the Su27 and F22 can hang there keep same level flight and slowly drop the nose in a controlled manner.
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real cobra
That’s an odd looking MiG-29
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