Yeah, and yet you come here and read every single post. Because whether you want to admit it or not.,
Me and Mig has generated a high interest in this platform with our back and forth bickering. It is hilarious at time and we both apologize as it gets over the top sometimes. But entertaining and educational it surely is.
Mods actively keep an eye on this thread and probably get a kick out verbal fencing we do on a daily basis. Woe is you; boohoo I am sorry.
Do you have anything to offer about the Mig29s Supermaneuvrability?
Additionally, you are absolutely right. It does not say what other degrees below are classified as supermaneuverable. You and @MiG_23M are correct.
But what it does cover is up to 60-degree alpha in the study of High maneuverability.
The author discuses supermaneuvrability at 90°, additionally most supermaneuverable regimes or “dynamic attainment” (I think all) consist of 90° maneuvers.
For example, the Pugachev’s Cobra is done properly at 90° and even a little flare of above. The Mig29 is capable as well as the Su27.
So it is appropriate to say that 90° is the standard. However, what other degrees fall under the ubrella of “supermaneuverable” I have yet to find. I am open to suggestions and your research.
The falling leaf is actually mentioned by name and the performance as well as how it’s done is described in the F/A-18A NATOPS. The FLCS has modes specifically to allow such maneuvers. Even the Cobra is possible, just not permitted. (It’s not permitted in the MiG-29 manual either).
Pugachev’s Cobra the F18 is incapable. Please show of 90 degrees but do it in the F-18 thread.
I am trying to get this aircraft its correct alpha and not turn this into an “America! F yeah!” Trump Rally. Thank you.
The Fulcrum is not capable of the falling leaf at 90 degrees as far as I know, but the F-18 is? If what you say is true, then we can monitor it when it’s released.
But in the meantime, the Mig29 is the issue at hand.
What are you talking about. You know that is the bs excuse on behalf of devs.
You even posted a video of the Mig29 performing the cobra and the announcers were even stating that the Mig29 needs no flight control that the aircraft is so barebones and mechanically driven by the pilot even the airbrakes are pneumatic.
MY 1972 VW beetle uses pneumatic brakes. Completely mechanical.
Can you guys imagine how utterly cool it would be to do this in Air RB while defeating an incoming missile with chaff/flare and slinging a HOB R73 at someone as they fly by?
As you can see the Flanker immediately regains lift. The F-18 may perform a falling leaf but it’s not going to recover lift like the Flanker. I highly doubt.
Instead, it will fall for a while before it regains speed and lift due to its weak thrust and non-integral design.
That is why the F-18 is not considered supermaneuverable and lacks post stall capability. It cannot regain lift and keep going like the Fulcrum and Flanker.
High thrust to weight & engine-versus-inlet compatibility
The F-18 may do all the falling leaves in the world, but I guarantee you it will continue to fall for quite some time with nothing the pilot can do but wait until he recovers lift.
So > 68 knots and AoA of 40 degrees or less
For the MiG-29 you can double the airspeed and half the AoA for “recovery”.
One of these is considered supermaneuverable in literature, the other just meets and exceeds all the requirements according to the Russian definition.
By all means, this is a Cobra. Nose attitude 90 degrees, hangs in the air, recovers without loss of altitude. Immediately begins a sharp turn after nose is level to the ground.
The legacy hornet is known for the Pirouette maneuver, something only other “Supermaneuverable” fighters are capable of doing. It’s holding a steady 45+ degrees AoA and spinning laterally.
This is not done in airshows, but it is also mentioned in the manuals and can be seen in DCS here how they perform the maneuver (take that with a grain of salt, since it is in fact DCS).
The F-35 can do similar, at even higher angles of attack. Known as the falling leaf. The MiG-29 cannot do this.
