Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-29 Fulcrum - History, Design, Performance & Dissection (Part 1)

Well in this case the vertical G forces rises to 16 because the aircraft has a very large angle to his velocity vector and is also decelerating fast (In simpler term here most of the 16Gs are from the deceleration you have when the plane is basically acting as an airbrake). I don’t know if the aircraft structure can resist 16Gs, but this is still different to actually pulling 16Gs when doing an actual turn (aka 16Gs that are only centripetal acceleration), which is what F-16s can do right now and is complete bs.

Stil not saying that DCS flight models are accurate… I don’t play it but seeing videos of Mirage 2000s (deltas) and F-14s (T/W ratio closer to 3rd gen than 4th gen fighters) outrating F-16s and MiG-29s is enough to show that their flight models are far from perfect

Could you post the link to the bug report? Because I couldn’t find it online and many people pressing “I have the same issue button” might help fixing it quickly

did you hit the cobra button? from my experience at maximum stick deflection it should pull 8Gs at best. Unless you ovveride the deflection limits of course.

MiG-29 has no “Cobra button”.

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It does, although it is not called Cobra button if you try turning off “Stick deflection limiter” and “Damper disable”. you will get what i mean.

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The current performance of the mig29smt is shameful, the mig29 9.13 is also kinda bad rn, the r73s are great but they seem to be easier to dodge with a few flares than the aim9m, you try to do some small maneuvers to get out of the way of the aim9m and you are already at 700km/h, it’s truly miserable to play with this plane, generally I do more duels than playing air rb but not even duels are possible because both planes are just bad rn :(

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The limiter is overcome irl by pulling harder on the stick. Flight control system limitations irl do not stop cobra… just limit roll control to ailerons only for high alpha above 14°.

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they completely botched Fulcrums. Reminds me the days of MiG-23M. Giving it a week until they either fix or buff some other aspect of the aircraft.

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yeah, with the 9.13 you can still try to do some stuff but you can’t stay in a prolonged fight for anything, otherwise you’ll start falling from the sky, it seems that the mig’s flaps are also no longer effective in making you gain a little more turning capacity at the cost of speed, now they only cost speed and don’t help you turn

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@k_stepanovich It seems the consensus is the MiG-29 is broken, some changes may have left unintended consequences

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yeah they broke all the mig29s fm, I think the only thing that was needed was the f16 fm buff (although I still think for 1v1s the f16 fm was and still is the best, especially the block 10) for air rb it’s debatable but they didn’t need to make the mig29 useless and depend 100% on its weapons

I disagree, the F-16 exhibits zero instability at AoA more than double what was possible in real life without pitch-out departure. It’s severely overperforming in-game.

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oh yeah i saw your posts about this issue, i totally agree with you, from what i know the f16 isnt a stable aircraft att all, shouldnt be doing that without consequences, imo shouldnt even win in 1 circle against the 29

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Both planes similiarly equal to each other in real life and this should be the case in wt but instead Mig29’s Fm butchered and F-16’s Fm buffed too hard.

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Comparing 9-15 and 9-12 just by mass and engines is useless, 9-15 has upgraded and quite different airframe.

that’s exactly why I was asking for charts. If the airframe was the same then I could do the math accounting for the extra weight and the more powerful engines.

Still the 9-15 has probably much better performance

You want find anything. Su-27 and MiG-29 9-12 airframes are last planes for Russia that can be modelled properly, all others modern russian fighters fms will be mostly divinations and fantasy.

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You are asking wrong person. You need iso_gate or V_S_N

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Maybe Gaijin can get more sources than we can… anyway not that it really matters since they managed to make MiG29s rate worse than F4Es now lol

Sorry for asking again but if you made a bug report for the current MiG29 flight model could you share the link for it? Because I can’t find it and in general more people having the same issue usually helps the devs notice it quickly