Well first I do not know much about the SMT and its a developing process as even I am learning that the SMT should not really be that affected at all. When my initial position was that is historical, and people are complaining because it cannot dogfight and its a skill issue.
After playing the aircraft and really researching into the Fulcrum itself further. My position has changed. I do not see any technical reason why upgrades and a fuel tank that remains full before the wings and a better center of gravity performing as it does.
When lesser fighter with a 0.96:1 with loaded weight just need to be 50% internal fuel and their thrust shoots up to a 1:12:1. The SMT is not nearly performing like that at 50% internal, neither is any Mig29.
Though he tried at first with JH7 after long back an forth over history, technology, engines etc. No one is disagreeing with me at all now regarding the Mig29 SMT should really not be too affected, not even Mig.
He is now holding on to the fact (it is a fact) I have not proven the SMT is suffering in performance any more than it should historically. That is true, I do not have direct undeniable proof. But He has not proven it is not suffering A-historically based on an interpretation of game code he has no idea what it truly means either and just started datamining as a new hobby. So it’s a deadlock.
It’s not performing adversely, the MiG-29s perform according to the charts in the manual and the SMT has no drastic deviation from that in spite of all these changes. I’d actually testify it is likely overperforming.
I understand your point but that just diverted from my main questions which were, why don’t you make a bug report with your tests, conclusions and sources, why don’t you at least show your sources to the people here who are willing to help if there is really something wrong that is proven with some reliable source about the mig29s.
for me tbh, the major problem that the 29s are facing rn is having to fight overperforming f16s
They will probably add the flanker when the update comes. Probably the reason why they made mig29 FMs dogshit and overbuffed the f16c. My hope is unironically that they add the f15 only for japan/israel just because the chimpout will be a glorious sight to behold
ok so, wouldn’t it be better to look for sources to maybe fix the JH7? like JH7 flight manual or smt like that If you think it is overperforming, it would be more practical to do that than trying to fix the SMT or any other mig29 without having a reliable source to help with a future bug report.
None of my sources are specifically on the SMT and just the Fulcrum. There is not a lot out there about its specific flight performance compared to the other Fulcrums. Whether it retains its dogfight purity or not.
Whether it does when fuel is consumed to a X% and obtains the Thrust to Weight Ratio to perform like any other Mig29. Nothing out there I found even hints at that.
It does obtain the ability to fly just as good as any other Fulcrum. the question is what internal fuel % is it.
As the current migs are functioning according to the charts it makes sense to me that the SMT will be considerably inferior in terms of maneuverability cuz it is heavier, if we can’t find any source that says otherwise it’ll stay like that unfortunately. I’m kinda bothered by the fact that the tomcat currently can win against any fulcrum ingame (both 2c and 1c), but that’s life, the copium left my body, i already accepted the situation. The guys around this thread did an excelent job fixing the plane, there’s nothing left to do, MAYBE in the future they’ll update the instructor and make the mig better for duels.
There is not much out there regarding that aircraft either and GJ takes advantage of that fact from time to time when it serves the bottom line. It will be brought down to realistic level by itself as GJ knows a lot about aircrafts and always shows that by adding very subtle minor details in models that we do not care about and only their team would have implemented.
If they directly competed in top tier, it may go somewhere but it will have no bearing on the SMT. I do not think it matters.
Let them have their JH-7. GJ It will bring it down after the hype dies off. It is a supersonic dedicated naval strike aircraft after all and they know it.
Then maybe the fulcrum isn’t good as i thought wvr-wise and the solution is to wait for the flanker, my vision was that it could be a threat to every other 4th gen when talking about dogfighting.
It is, most due to the archer. The AoA is technically better than the F-14s but the F-14 has massive lift devices and swing wings which offer some unique capabilities of their own. It couldn’t be flown like that IRL for airframe longevity reasons and because post-stall recovery is more difficult. It’s also somewhat difficult in-game.
the SMT is capable of hitting over a 1.09:1 and much higher btw. We just do not know what internal fuel percentage it must be before achieving those capabilities.
Many aircraft greatly increase in thrust to weight by burning off internal fuel and some never engage in a dogfight untll a certain percentage is reached. The fuel that is burned off is greatly converted into Thrust to weight for high out put fighters.
I do not believe GJ has this effect modelled truly for the 1:1 fighters. Yes, they do improve in performance min fuel but a min fuel Mig29 is pumping out a 1:20+ easy on min fuel.
My thoughts about the fulcrum came from watching guns only dogfight videos from that other SIM game that i won’t name here because idk if it’ll piss the mods or not, it seemed to me that it could defeat any 4th gen if piloted correctly (going 1c against vipers, 2c against the eagle, 2c against the hornet and so on) so i created this image of the mig29 being an absolute monster wvr-wise and i somehow wanted gaijin to recreate this in war thunder as i prefer the simple controls gameplay over the realistic style of that simulator. I heard that in wt’s sim mode you can do much more in the fulcrum because of the full real controls but i don’t have patience for such mode and i just can’t have fun playing it, i’ll just wait for a fighter that can behave better in rb.
We know exactly when for the 9-12, we know the weight increases for the 9-13 and 9-19, as such we know at exactly what weight and fuel load it would be at that T/W. What do you mean we don’t know?
Fuel weight and amounts are per the manuals and documentation. Fuel weight is constant for quantity. It’s per the charts.
The one where the MiG-29 was pulling 16,+ Gs and whatnot? Lol, yeah it’s no more realistic than war thunders flight modeling for most low fidelity models and even some high fidelity ones.
So what is the TTW of any variant that applies @ 50% and in the additional weight and there you go we have the SMT performance in AB.
However, its thrust to weight would be off because the Series II consumes fuel slower and smt can carry less fuel while maintaining the same times…
Once the came a new engine came in I think it opens the door for potential and needs real looking into it can perform better without actual thrust. We do not even know the full capability of the upgrade. efficiency could have increased along with a more consistent thrust which gives a better acceleration etc and top speed at all altitudes or specific.
We know the series 2 and series 3 have unnoticeable increases in T/W (10kgf?) And improvement in fuel efficiency.
The thrust doesn’t change, the weight of the fuel doesn’t change so T/W remains the same for the percentage total fuel. The slower burn rate means the T/W increases at a slower pace… sure… but it doesn’t change it altogether.
50% fuel in the 9-12 is still 50% for the 9-12G… But that same weight of fuel for the 9-19 is less % total fuel…