It was a simple yes or no question.
I want more AoA or you are not understanding.
I will ask you again, I can do it in Italian as well. I am a little rusty though.
Is the Mig29 currently pulling realistic AoA at all speeds in Air RB?
Yes or No?
That’s fantastic…as soon as I have time I’ll calculate Nx and see which chart is right
Drag(X)=cx*(density V^2)/2wing area
Lift(Y)=cy*(density V^2)/2wing area
In regards to the Mig29 I stated:
In which you responded:
Removing alpha limits would not give you “extra rate” for the following reasons explained by @Smin1080p in speaking in regards to the Mirage. Same principles apply in fluid dynamics.
AoA is limited for better handling (mouse aim causes pitch and yaw oscillations at high aoa for all mirages) and better energy saving during tight turns. Higher the angles slows down the mirages to 200-300km/h very quickly. Current limits is the best compromise between energy saving, controllability and agility. It is also possible to enable full control by hot key in any moment and any time in the game to achieve higher aoa without limits.
I get that you want more AoA, but I am telling you if you want the MiG29 to be better in air RB (which you probably don’t looking at how you behaved when I asked you to test the F-16) less AoA with current fm would be better.
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Most likely, the MiG-29 in the WT has low transverse and longitudinal stability
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Can you understand the difference between LESS and MORE?
More = higher angles of attack
Less = lower angles of attack.
Good… now: can you understand that LESS AoA means LESS energy bleed aka higher speed?
That is not what you said. Refer to the transcript.
I said I rather get more AoA and not be limited by instructor and “still not rate” (meaning the Mig29 cannot rate with the F16 anyway with the limitation).
You replied in response:
Which is hilariously false. So did you misspeak or is there a language barrier here?
If MiG-29 AoA was increased with instructor it would just reach stall speed in 1 turn I dont think anyone would want that especially since either way you lose the dogfight, having lower AoA means better retention which would be better which for the MiG-29 (especially the SMT) being a glorified missile bus works out better since youre most vulnerable when you are slow
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But the nose authority post stall is what the Mig29 is designed for. It will take skill to play but I rather have a realistic Mig29 than a limited one that cannot ever rate with the F16 anyway.
The Mig29 is stuck between a rock and a hard place. Being somewhere in the middle not feasible imo. If they removed the G limiter on the F16 (which is cool) lets remove some alpha limitations on the Mig is the way I see it.
But to make two completely different fighters the same because these players complaints it is wack.
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I said I wanted less AoA so we can get LESS energy BLEED and MORE rate, then you said that you would prefer to pull more AoA since you claim that it would still not rate, and then I stated again that with LESS AoA it would GAIN a lot of extra rate.
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Understood, but that’s not realistic to the Mig29.
That is wanting an F16.
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I want the MiG29 to rate an average of 0.5 to 1 degree less compared to the F-16C (which should not rate worse than the F16A) as per manuals. No more, no less
You may be right!
But it should not have its AoA artificially limited so unskilled players can pull as hard as they want on the stick and get the optimal angle of attack.
The Mig29 is a very tough cookie to fly and takes skill irl. It should be in game and capable of all of the above. But also take skill.
It does not have the FBW computer holding the pilots hand quite like the F16
Real pilots don’t agree with you
MiG-29 was actually not meant to fight low speed AoA fights dogfighting would be done at higher speeds with rate fights the whole low speed nose authority was a last ditch thing but typically you dont want to get in a slow radius fight right off the bat similar reasons to why MiG-23 pilots never dogfighted with 16 degree wingsweep but instead did their fighting in either 33/35 degree sweep or 45 degree sweep
I never said low speed. I said soviet doctrine it to cash energy in for immediate nose authority. They also pride themselves on post stall manuevers. So, If you can find doctrine stating otherwise that they are more akin to the west I will happily change my position.
Remember, you are a reasonable man. The Mig29 entered service with a pathetic combat radius of 80 nautical miles. It is a frontal aviation asset. They do not have time to go out and rate fight fighters.
They fly up get into a knife fight immediately get that nose on, kill and come back down. It is purely their design to end the fight as quick as possible. To ensure that, Mikoyan required that the fighter have high alpha capability to get nose on as quickly as possible and even high off boresight capability in the R73.