You can empty out the hull ammunition entirely. Low intensity combat doesn’t compel you to need more than 10 rounds. Larger scale combat, you cannot conduct operations this way. From what I can (can’t) see. Most those times the video doesn’t run long enough to watch the tank burn out, and we can’t see inside the tank to confirm it even had half let alone full ammunition (unless you have body can footage I don’t know about). Human free will when you aren’t in an intense situation is a marvel.
The carousel to my knowledge doesn’t have fuel tanks on it… At most some Turks the ammo is stored near a wet storage of diesel fuel outside the carousel in the forward or rear hull. Which can help prevent ammo fires. But idk if that’s what you meant. Let me know!
Carousel itself isn’t “wet” protected, just sheet metal around it to stop smaller shrapnel. But reserve ammo behind it, as well next to the driver is stored in conforming fuel tanks.
Then in usual Gaijin fashion, I suspect they didn’t modeled separate cookoff multiplier for each and every ammo hitbox, just single value for entirety of ammo. So either you apply lower cookoff chance from “wet” stored ammo to dry carousel, or you apply dry multiplier to wet ammo or you make average bringing everything whack anyway.
But I thought the “loose ammunition” was the true danger. Why would the “wet ammo” be safer than the carousel. From what I can understand the ammo in the forward hull. From my understanding: Not every round in that area is encased in fuel, also the fuel prevents outside fires from setting off the rounds as often. But it doesn’t make the ammunition itself not volition when hit.
It would need to be different ammunition, or the rounds would need to be slow burners every time (which isn’t gonna be the case). From what I’ve seen footage wise, most times the ammo sets off immediately (I’m not sure if it’s because the compound it uses in the charges, or what. But that’s the assumption).
And you thought correct, “loose ammo” scattered everywhere is most likely cause of ammo cookoff. Both because unprotected and it is more likely to be hit.
Diesel fuel, being rather stubborn to ignite can double as dousing agent, then carousel and “main” ammo reserves also have overwatch of automated firefighting equipment, intended to automatically empty fire extinguishers when spike in temperature is detected. Not the best solution, as more modern firefighting systems also check for spike in brightness, hence you can’t take photos inside of newer hardware during fairs/showoffs - not because muh sekrit but to not trigger firefighting equipment with camera flash.
On T-72 firefighting defense, its TD-1 sensors date back to 1950s. Was it updated in meantime or even whole system was maintained before lil bit of clusterfuck in eastern Europe? I doubt anyone knows the answer.
Everything seems to indicate that the propellant used by Russia has an enormous sensitivity, since in all the videos that exist, it can be seen that in many occasions the vehicles (specifically T-72, T-80 and BMP 3, BMD-4) explode completely as soon as they receive the impact, which would be an almost complete explosion of all the ammunition. On the other hand, I have seen videos of Ukrainian T-64s that even received impacts from drones between the chains and did not explode, which I imagine is because they would use ammunition of Czech or Polish origin, which would use Western propellant.
You guys are taking this thread so off topic, go argue about t series tanks in t series threads this is merkava thread
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Why doesn’t the merkava add this 80 mm spaced wedge to the front of the tank ? do they know that they can get more than 200 of effective protection against kinetic round for the price of like half a ton ?? omg Someone needs to call Israel and tell them to add 80mm of composite screen or plain RHA it will make the front armor, at 72 degrees of slop incredibly good !
our troubles are over !
They are so close… so close they just needed to add this 80 mm of rha to be immune to apfsds from the front…
Some one really need to call them and tell them that germany cracked the code
I rly dont get if ur sarcastic or not
What are we looking at here tho?
I get you are being sarcastic but I´ll open Pandora´s Box anyway:
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The front wedges alone add 1 metric ton of weight to the tank
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Leopard 2A5 was designed with a goal of 650mm KE protection. This is stated explicitly by KMW and repeated in British sources dated from 1991-1992.
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In Sweden its armor was tested against LKE-II, aka DM53. And that round was rated to penetrate 700mm (fired out of L44). In other words, Leopard 2A5 never demonstrated the capability to defeat rounds capable of penetrating more than 700mm.
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Given that Leopard 2A5 had its base armor changed (can be estimated to about 550-600mm), the added benefits of the wedges become much more grounded, about 150mm. It did increase its CE protection enough to defeat tandem 152mm warheads though.
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Merkava Mk.4 IRL already reaches these same levels of protection.
of course I was being sarcastic… don’t you find it ridicules that for Gaijin the Merkava tank designer stopped armoring the turret just before it can stop modern apfsds rounds… Soooo close. I’ve calculated that if you add 80 mm of RHA to the front wedge it will increase the weight of the tank by 600kg on each cheek. The designers were like… we can stop 500mm that will be enough yeeeee
with this angle and small size of the cheeks…you can have extremly armored turret even without composites… and Gaijin thinks 1000 mm LOS of composites can’t stop APFSDS… a joke
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And who said it cant stop more?
Gaijin…
That’s literally the title of this post no ?
Oh mb i misunderstood
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we aren’t getting merkava fixed
it’s over
nothing ever happens
you can close this thread
gaijin damn it.
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I still have a small belive that they will fix it when they gonna add it turret basket
Like there is no way they gonna nerf it with turret basket without giving it ita armor right?
RIGHT???
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Gonna add what ?
They might update the armor when they start adding the most advanced tank of other nations so it will be in line with them ?
The frontal slope of the turret armor is 73 degrees… 200 mm of RHA with the turret basket armor will stop every APFSDS…
Let alone the advanced composites and explosives it has…
Turret basket like the leo and the abrams have
Its a big nerf
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