so you’re saying that many modern mbt have spall liners even if we can’t see them ?
*Russia ?
Exactly, as far as I know Abrams also have this feature.
It’s more so that liners specifically aren’t the only thing that can reduce spall, at least in comparison to an equivalent quantity of uniform, monolithic RHA.
And that with careful material selection and treatment, Spalling is much less of an issue for modern armor.
it is most certainly something that is taken into account in the design of modern systems, Liners just happen to be a fairly cheap method of refitting system to existing vehicles without extensive work after the fact.
After all we do know that there is a monolithic plate of steel at the back of the baseline Abram’s array that would be there for some reason.
Let alone that the above referenced document makes reference to “Tri-plate” assemblies(PDF page 12), which obviously would permit both a distinct strike-face, and back-plate element to exist, and as such is likely composite made of at least two different materials, with one being a DU infused Steel alloy.
And that the Chobham (which the initial M1’s arrays is based of) uses a “plastic” layer on the strike-face of internal array (laminated) elements, with a further layer of plastic terminal that is bonded to the wall of the fighting compartment.
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They are in fact just about fine. The Chinese ones got passed for considerations.
I found a bug report about merkava having spall liners with an evidance from a official washington document about the bradly
Gaijin said its not a bug ofc
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/IU7Z28C8Si3U
Gaijin devs what do you have to say in your defense?
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That’s a mega source lmao.
No correlation between the spall liner and the Merks tho. Only m-113 is mentioned
Huh?
Read the second image
Ok? This is basically nothing. Where is the spall liner? What are the dimensions? This is not evidence, It’s a misunderstood writing error. When it says “fuel, spall liner and ammo compartment already in practice in etc etc”… They never made the connection to the Merkavas directly.
iirc the M-113 does not have ex-fuel compartments. I guess these 2 lines now prove it does?
I’ll say this again, (and I hate mentioning it repeatedly): Not even once in my service on the Merkava I was taught it has spall liners.
Merkava is a lost cause on WT. Focus on important stuff :)
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And why would they tell u that
Thos stuff are probably clasified and there is no reason to teach u about it
And its says spall liner… alreasy in practice in the israeli 113s, merkava, and army’s own m-1 and m-1a1
This is clearly showing thos vehicles have some kind of spall liners and its the best source we got so we need to fight for it
Do we know its stats? no
Does it matter?
Also no
The spall liners in the game act the same for everyone so gaijin can just surround the crew area in spall liners like the leos and it might be competitve
To maybe boost the morale of the crew ?
It’s always good to hear that the vehicle you’re operating has purpose built systems designed to protect your life.
Israel already trusts those people enough to put them in their vehicles, so a brief mention of spall liners wouldn’t hurt anyone.
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Im sure they mention strong armor and the big strength of the merksvas over other mbts like the throphy system but i dont see a reason to specify stuff
We as wt players know how ez it is to leak stuff and considering thos soldiers are in their 20s with active social media life the idf is very careful with them
No reason not to mention defensive capabilities like APS and great armor against stuff you come against. Also no reason not to mention added protection if you somehow get penetrated.
If I was a soldier I’d want to know my tank is protecting me at basically any scenario.
I’m sure Israel has it’s ways to control what their soldiers share on the internet. Placing people in their state of the art tanks already puts them at risk, so vaguely mentioning spall liners doesn’t look like that big of a deal.
They says general stuff they dont specify cuz ppl talk and u cant know who listening
There is iran payed spies and ofc social media
Yea the the way to control info is to not spread it.
U forgeting that most tankers in israel doesnt rly care about this stuff most go to the army cuz they have to or for their Ideology and values about the nation but they arent into tanks and military stuff they just hear things about merkava with engine in the front aps maybe a word about era but not more then that
They learn how to operate and maintain the vehicles not how mm does the upf has and whats the reaction time on the aps
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Mentioning spall liners is general stuff.
Not like it’s some piece of tech that has been invented two months ago so they want to hide it.
Briefly mentioning APS is the same deal as briefly mentioning spall liners. No one said they are going into details lol.
Thos ppl berly if any know what is era or apfsds u want to talk about spall liner?
Its useless info and i can understand why idf doesnt teach that
Only ppl that are into tanks will start to invest time and effort to learn thos stuff and thos ppl probably cant talk about it anyway
Yea u right but again israel docturine is very carefull not to show any info cuz its ez path to leak stuff and ppl dont rly ask
The tankers see good survaivle rate of the merkava and just count on the engineers
Maybe im wrong and they do know somthing but dont tell anyone
Yes as it boosts their morale if they know they have extra layers of protection. Calling that piece of information useless is really naive.
Israel doesn’t teach that as they don’t have spall liners.
It is useless info for a tanker.
I was wheeled APC driver/crewman in the Swiss army. You don’t need to know stuff like that, not even armor values. It was → you see an mbt ? Better fk off fast.
The averge joe which HAS to go to the army, doesn’t care about stuff like that. They need to know how to operate the vehicle and be effective in it, that’s it.
Merkava isn’t an APC built out of cardboard, so what you’ve been told varies a lot. When they see an MBT they’ll engage it.
I never argued crew should know exact values, but some basics could be talked about, especially for the morale boost, as I said.
I’d argue that the average Joe who isn’t a military fanatic would definitely like to hear he’s in a vehicle that has multiple safety features that helps him get out alive.
It’s like how car manufacturers brag about their safety features and those things are definitely making people feel better driving those vehicles.