Correcting the XM246.
I have made a lot of issue reports to get i closer to the reported real-life capabilities if you are interested in close to real-life implementation, please share your “concern”.
Rejected: [DEV] XM246 Missing Optical Tracking // Gaijin.net // Issues [DEV] XM246 additional optical tracking source // Gaijin.net // Issues
Comment: I tried my best to get the historical optical tracking but Gaijin wanted the word “automatic” to be used in the description otherwise they rejected it, despite the DIVAD requirement for a backup system with the same accuracy and multiple descriptions of a continuous tracking system with laser rangefinder and full descriptions of how that system works in the M247 it was not enough, unfortunately for us the word “automatic” in connection to the DIVADs appears to only be used when the system did the whole engagement cycle, except pulling the trigger.
[DEV] XM246 Crew location wrong // Gaijin.net // Issues
Comment: Apparently Gaijin thinks crew hatches and periscopes are just for show and not for the crew, they need a primary source to move the FCS forward and release the crew from their SPAA dungeon.
These are the same guys who rejected my report on the ADATS missing a stabilizer because it doesn’t fit their agenda, despite my report having army documents says the LOS-F-H had a requirement for shoot in the move - either way doesn’t make sense that M247 and now the XM246 have a stabilizer, but the vehicle from the program that effectively replaced them somehow doesn’t…
Good job and good luck dealing with them in your future endeavors.
The HE-VT situation is genuinely a good thing (atm) until more SPAA vehicles are added to that BR bracket to take its place it shouldn’t receive that ammunition option… Yet. Eventually I’d like to see it folder’d with the York at the same BR featuring the proximity ammunition and at least 2 other spaag’s with similar performance as it is at 8.3 for example.
I think we can agree that XM246 will be better than Gepard against air targets due to barrel spacing and superior armor (to resist strafing and bomb fragments)
However, the mobility is not good, much worse than Gepard. Take this horsepower to ton ratio comparison for instance:
And max speeds is also very different, XM246’s 48 km/h is much worse than Gepard’s 65 km/h. You can’t look past mobility, it is vital for evading air attacks and flanking ground vehicles (since you can’t take out tanks from the front)
Also, while the APDS report is accepted, it might not make it to live anytime soon (or at all) due to issues with sources about internal ammunition model. In that case XM246 will have worse mobility and lack effective ammunition against ground targets.
But its also true that you cannot outrun a missile or a bomb if it is well placed. Even in the gepard.
Being 50cal proof would mean somewhat more of a chance to survive highercaiber rounds as well.
Although it is slightly a bigger target than the gepard.
In real life sure, but in game you can definitely do so. Not staying in spawn, not being completely in the open, turning off your radar are some of the things. Most CAS players expect them to be in spawn so you can surprise them when they are going in for bombing or gun runs (for 8.3).
8.3 SPAA are pretty lethal because there isn’t really any long range munition at the BR along with no RWR. In a uptier, that’s a different story but can be compensated (though by not much) with the some of the tactics I mentioned above.
i agree you have a fair point but that should not serve to lower the BR of the vehicle. if the ambush capability is significant, it can raise the BR, however a lack of it should not affect the base BR
Well I’m not really arguing about it’s BR because with the things you’ve mentioned, I realized both has it’s ups and downs. I’m just asking if armor & gun placement outweighs mobility.
Unfortunately its only indirect.
Max elevation speed should likely be 42.2 degrees/sec or 750 mils/sec. But the gunner would only be able to manually input 25 degrees pr second. Same as an Abrams. I get these numbers from the AFAADS (Advanced Forward Area Air Defense System) concept that birthed GLAADS and later ARGADS then DIVAD. The requirement was to be able to engage planes passing by at 200m distance at 300m/s:
This is why the Sgt York can rotate 90 degrees/sec. Another way to look at it is that basically the system had to be able to point to point its guns in the complete opposite direction within 2 seconds to fulfill the requirement of starting the engagement within 6 seconds from threat detection.
But the only video we have of the M247 with significant length moving its guns shows the slower manual elevation speed. Which is my guess as to why Gaijin gave it 30 degrees/sec.
Unfortunately, it’s not a direct source so we can only pray that the snail gods discover this truth themselves.
