Meet Guided Fury, the 17th Season of the Battle Pass!

[SinisterIsRandom]

Many will be happy honestly. Neato to even see a Fliegerfaust(Luftfaust-B eventually redesignated as the Fliegerfaust in 1945).

[markimash]

Nice. I have 3/4 of them so i was worried.

This isnt the best way to bring event stuff back but im happy that they are at least bringing them back at all.

[Adrian_T03]

To me it just seems like Gaijin thinks we forgot why WT got review bombed and is trying to milk again from newer players that doesn’t know what was in previous BP’s.

[ANAPHYST]

What’s the point of having a toldi tank here? Not a single person would take it over Ka-chi or T55e1. It exist only to make 25% of potential battlepass buyers extremely unhappy. I will not pay to get scammed by this thing. But Id easily buy this BP if there will be a CHOICE instead of a stupid “gacha crate”.
Gaijin, why you dont want my money?

[NshPPSH]

Why random? I really want the 251 but if I have the Toldi seriously…

I miss the old BPs

[SoullessFlanker]

What happened to the E.B.R. 1954 ?? It was part of one of the first Battle Passes and isn’t here even if it is one of the most desirable vehicles that was in one of the first ones and it isn’t even on the market wihich makes it even more desirable.

[Get_HeshED]

E.B.R 1954 was an event vehicle, not a Battle Pass one.

[Kicimijazawa]

Destroy a specified number of player vehicles using AGM

I assume, it does not include unguided rockets? HVAR and such?

[Crimson_04]

2nd BP with Centurion was even better

[richthofen122]

@ANAPHYST

What’s the point of having a toldi tank here?

Well, it is an unobtainable Battlepass vehicle like the others, so it does have a place in the Box.

What worries me: If I don’t get the Ka-Chi this time, will it be in the next BP vehicle Box or do they switch it with another otherwise unobtainable vehicle? And will the Ka-Chi come back like this?

And they forgot an unobtainable Battlepass vehicle, the LVT-4/40

Spoiler

https://wiki.warthunder.com/images/thumb/8/8a/GarageImage_LVT-4_40.jpg/1600px-GarageImage_LVT-4_40.jpg

From the Battlepass Season V “River Hunter”

[_Poul]

@richthofen122

What worries me: If I don’t get the Ka-Chi this time, will it be in the next BP vehicle Box or do they switch it with another otherwise unobtainable vehicle? And will the Ka-Chi come back like this?

It will be changed, the same way warbond vehicles are changing every season.

In their place, I would personally just create another tab in the shop, called “Event Vehicles”:

And put there every single event vehicle (including old BP vehicles).

Add the new currency, which would be called properly (I’m not a native English speaker, so I’m not going to propose anything interesting here), let’s use the “Battle Pass Point”. So every BP season you will get 1 Battle Pass Point (BPP) at a relatively early level (e.g. level 14 as additional reward to the 10 days of the Premium Account). If they wanted to make more money from this system, they could also include the second BPP inside the Warbond Shop, that would cost GE. This way everyone will be able to get 2 BPP in total every season.

Then every vehicle in the Events Vehicles section in the shop could have its cost based on e.g. its rank. For example:
Rank 1-2: 1 BPP
Rank 3-4: 2 BPP
Rank 5-6: 3 BPP
Rank 7-8: 4 BPP

Players would be able to buy any vehicle, as long as they have enough BPP. This way everyone will be able to get what they want, and Gaijin could also gain more money from the BP (selling an additional BPP for GE).

This system would also mean that the 3rd vehicle would be back to the BP. In my opinion the system with 1 Air, 1 Ground and 1 Naval vehicle in BP season made the most sense.

But it looks like they are happy with the current state of the BP. It’s obviously selling well, and the effort they put to create it is less and less with each season. So they don’t really need to add any new systems. This would obviously cost them money, so why would they do that?

[Botoo1]

Has any BP been even remotely worth it, in the history of War Thunder?

[W_Wolfe]

Yes.

[Saitama_420]

So is there a way we can try to change this??? like these bullshit BP are not it…

[_Poul]

@Botoo1

Has any BP been even remotely worth it, in the history of War Thunder?

You can check old BPs here:
https://wiki.warthunder.com/Battle_Pass_Seasons

Especially the first BPs were very good and totally worth it in my opinion.

For example, the first BP that started in December 2020 had 4 premium vehicles:
Matilda Hedgehog - rank 2 premium heavy tank
ORP Garland - rank 2 premium destroyer
F2G-1 - rank 4 premium fighter
T-10A - rank 5 premium heavy tank

All these vehicles are fine. And you could get rank 4 and rank 5 premiums in times when we had less ranks. Rank 7 in Air tech tree was added to the game in May 2021. Rank 7 in Ground tech tree was added earlier, in 2019. But you still could get rank 5 premium tank and rank 4 premium plane, that would be good enough to grind everything but the top rank. Also, both of these vehicles are very good.

You can check the rewards season by season, and it’s clearly visible that the BP value decreases over time. Which is probably nothing surprising (the devs wanted the first BPs to be successful and attract players to this new BP system). But when you compare the first few seasons to the current season, the difference is truly crazy.

[Berserker0011]

Or give a small amount of GE (250 seems reasonable to me) as compensation instead

[W_Wolfe]

@_Poul Hey, just wanted to say I really appreciate all your posts with lots of info+links, and your reasonable arguments/comments. Cheers bro 🍻

Some of @_Poul 's posts in this thread if anyone else wants to read through:

Spoiler

@_Poul_

There is one player on the forum that will be very happy about the Ka-Chi.

I already have all these vehicles, so nothing for me. And no, Golden Battles Wager that is random amount of GE, based on luck with wins is not a proper reward. It’s not even close enough to replace the missing vehicle.

@_Poul_

@MJPIA

Is this talking about non-BP event vehicles?

BP vehicles are also classified as event vehicles. So they are talking about vehicles that could be obtained through events, including the BP. Which means all the vehicles will rotate.

So far they used the system of 3 random former BP vehicles + 1 random former non-BP event vehicle. But this may of course change in the future.

@_Poul_

@Grantaire

if you have an ounce of sense you’ll do this challenge in naval, and given that Murmansk is the free prize, thats what the majority of players will probably end up doing

In my opinion this challenge will be far the easiest with Toldi IIA or Ka-Chi. Both are excellent vehicles, and it’s very easy to get the required score at rank 1.
I’m a better player in Naval than Ground, but I will still get 20k score much quicker in Ground with these vehicles.

@_Poul_

@int main

10 days premium instead of 1-st lowtier vehicle

I actually asked about this matter a long time ago on the old forum, and one of the staff members replied that this was changed, because players didn’t want low rank vehicle in the BP, but wanted the free premium time instead.

When I asked who wanted this change, because I never saw anyone talking about this on the forum, the same staff member replied that our International forum is not the only place where opinions come from. So he basically suggested that the Russian players wanted this change on the Russian forum.

For Gaijin it was obviously a very good change, as they don’t have to prepare an additional vehicle in every BP. I still think it was a terrible decision, because these rank 1 premiums were often fun!

I’m also sure that if someone suggested this change on the Russian forum, they probably assumed something like 30 days of premium time. I don’t think the 10 days of premium is an equivalent of 1 unique vehicle (these low-ranked vehicles were usually fun and unique).

@int main

Random chest instead of a 2-nd guaranteed vehicle - Don’t we have it enough with random chests for SL? The idea of BP is to have guaranteed main prizes so you know what you are paying for. It is a really odd place to put gambling mechanic since you cannot gamble (or marketing manager did not noticed!?)

• The only valid decision - is to give players ability to pick the desired vehicle to compensate a unique BP prize lost.
• Golden Battles Wager up to 1000 GE - I have 7+ old GE wagers and I don’t use them to preserve my mood and sanity in this E-Sports Ready game that being in continious development for a decade with no light nor hope in the end, not worth the burnt nerves. Should compensate in GE directly or give next level choice of other old little premium vehicles.

I feel pretty much the same way as you, but remember that numbers matter. For Gaijin it matters how much it costs to make one more vehicle and how much they lose after reducing number of vehicles in the Battle Pass.

If someone says that they don’t like the new system, but still buys the BP, then Gaijin is a clear winner. The same goes for the new event cycle, SL lootboxes with event vehicles and so on. It’s the players that decide about such things, even if they don’t realize it.

Imagine the situation where Gaijin release the new BP and no one buys it. It wouldn’t take long for Gaijin to increase the value of this BP, because creating the BP costs them money, and the BP itself is a way for them to make money.

An ideal situation for Gaijin would be to put the least effort possible into the next BP, and gain as much money as possible from it. If they reduce the value of the BP and players still buy the BP, nothing will change, that’s just how it works. I think they are now pushing the limits and seeing how many players will still decide to buy the BP.

@_Poul_

@richthofen122

What worries me: If I don’t get the Ka-Chi this time, will it be in the next BP vehicle Box or do they switch it with another otherwise unobtainable vehicle? And will the Ka-Chi come back like this?

It will be changed, the same way warbond vehicles are changing every season.

In their place, I would personally just create another tab in the shop, called “Event Vehicles”:

And put there every single event vehicle (including old BP vehicles).

Add the new currency, which would be called properly (I’m not a native English speaker, so I’m not going to propose anything interesting here), let’s use the “Battle Pass Point”. So every BP season you will get 1 Battle Pass Point (BPP) at a relatively early level (e.g. level 14 as additional reward to the 10 days of the Premium Account). If they wanted to make more money from this system, they could also include the second BPP inside the Warbond Shop, that would cost GE. This way everyone will be able to get 2 BPP in total every season.

Then every vehicle in the Events Vehicles section in the shop could have its cost based on e.g. its rank. For example:
Rank 1-2: 1 BPP
Rank 3-4: 2 BPP
Rank 5-6: 3 BPP
Rank 7-8: 4 BPP

Players would be able to buy any vehicle, as long as they have enough BPP. This way everyone will be able to get what they want, and Gaijin could also gain more money from the BP (selling an additional BPP for GE).

This system would also mean that the 3rd vehicle would be back to the BP. In my opinion the system with 1 Air, 1 Ground and 1 Naval vehicle in BP season made the most sense.

But it looks like they are happy with the current state of the BP. It’s obviously selling well, and the effort they put to create it is less and less with each season. So they don’t really need to add any new systems. This would obviously cost them money, so why would they do that?

@_Poul_

@Botoo1

Has any BP been even remotely worth it, in the history of War Thunder?

You can check old BPs here:
https://wiki.warthunder.com/Battle_Pass_Seasons

Especially the first BPs were very good and totally worth it in my opinion.

For example, the first BP that started in December 2020 had 4 premium vehicles:
Matilda Hedgehog - rank 2 premium heavy tank
ORP Garland - rank 2 premium destroyer
F2G-1 - rank 4 premium fighter
T-10A - rank 5 premium heavy tank

All these vehicles are fine. And you could get rank 4 and rank 5 premiums in times when we had less ranks. Rank 7 in Air tech tree was added to the game in May 2021. Rank 7 in Ground tech tree was added earlier, in 2019. But you still could get rank 5 premium tank and rank 4 premium plane, that would be good enough to grind everything but the top rank. Also, both of these vehicles are very good.

You can check the rewards season by season, and it’s clearly visible that the BP value decreases over time. Which is probably nothing surprising (the devs wanted the first BPs to be successful and attract players to this new BP system). But when you compare the first few seasons to the current season, the difference is truly crazy.

[RunaDacino]

Could the “Kill 10 player vehicles with AGM” be changed to “Kill 10 player vehicles with AGM” OR “Kill 100 ai vehicles with agm?”

Alternatively, let HVARS/Tiny tims/etc to be used instead.

[gozer]

the downhill slide continues …

• every vehicle either copypasted with minor tweaks, or outright recycled from previous BP seasons
• what used to be BP lvl14 rewards now as lvl38 with added gambling/RNG
• what used to be BP lvl38 is now lvl56
• BP lvl75 looks like lowest BR reward vehicle yet (massive downgrade compared to early BP seasons)
• unless some new method for guiding glide bombs is introduced the Hs293 will be just pointless gimmick, you can’t hit anything from altitude and trying low-altitude passes with four-engined heavy bomber is suicide.

so now we basically have equivalents of what used to be lvl14 reward (everything in trophy box), lvl38 reward (literally copypasted Detroit), lvl56 reward (F2G-1 is BR 6.0 rank 4, same as the copypasted He-177) … and the lvl75 reward basically disappeared.

is there someone at Gaijin who’s responsibility is to make BP worse and worse as full time job, or do you guys just improv it, pool your ideas for downgrades and make it worse on the fly?

[DschinniTTV5259]

Isnt the List a Bit off? I got everything from the third BP but the Toldi was missing Till the last SL Crates. How is This possible? And no i can‘t Sell it Xbox Account
Edit: NVM could be possible that i got 1 MIL SL in the last Crates instead 😂