Putting the 4N after the 4J is a strange choice considering that the former is basically just a warmed over 4B.
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Yeah, an F-4S Late would be the ideal option for top Navy Phantom.
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I remember that F-4E-53 post. I kinda hope they rename it to F-4E/L (/L instead of Late because it looks nicer) because most stuff doesn’t use block numbers anymore to my knowledge. Still sad that it never got upgraded radar like some of the other F-4Es though.
On a side note, I’m not sure about the N, but it could be premium (maybe replacing the current S) and the F-4S/L should be foldered with the B and J. Or N and J. The N is just a refurbished B so in essence they’re the same, it just depends what armament they decide to give it.
In my eyes the F-4E/L would basically be the US version of the MiG-21bis, and the F-4S/L would be the US version of a MiG-23. I’m not really sure how well it competes with the ML/MLA/MLD because I haven’t played in a while, so I can’t really speak there, but I think that in broad terms the F-4J is an equivalent to the MiG-23M/MF.
I was thinking about remaking/reposting that F-4E/L post on the new forum and I still might do it, now that I have somewhat updated information and write suggestions a bit better. We’ll see.
In the meantime, I do want to see the F-4D but I’m not sure if it would be wise to implement it as essentially a gunless version of the F-4E, unless it can get something that sets it apart from the F-4E itself. I believe F-4Ds in Vietnam were equipped with Pave Tack or Pave Knife, and F-4Es didn’t get Pave Spike until the early 1980s, which happens to also be the time period for the F-4E/L. So I guess the F-4D could get laser guidance at the BR of the original F-4E and that would be it’s differentiating feature from the F-4E, and then the F-4E/L could get better laser guidance afterwards at a higher BR.
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Yeah that is my mistake, hadn’t read the 4N suggestion post in a while and forgot that it wasn’t as heavily upgraded over the 4B as I assumed it was
Shame, I get why they do that for a little bit of balancing flexibility in loadouts but I would prefer they go back to numbering everything by block
Pave-Knife (AN/AVQ-10) was used by the F-4D in the Vietnam War (as well as the A-6A… please give us TT Intruders Gaijin…) but Pave-Tack (AN/AVQ-26) entered service in the early 80’s with the F-4E and F-111F.
The recent implementation of split ARB/GRB battle ratings actually makes it possible to reasonably balance an F-4D with A2A capability in between that of the 4C and 4E for ARB progression’s sake, while also giving the 4D that first-gen LGB capability (ie BOLT-117 and Paveway I family) that would give it a higher BR in GRB thanks to that capability.
I like this idea
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+1!
Absolutely, though I would like to consider the possibility of an F-4D w/ BRAZO AIM-7E-2, as was tested at BRATFAC in 1977. The following image is most likely for the F-4B that was tested though, as I’ve interpreted from the same BRATFAC report.
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Updated and corrected F-4D’s specs; added diagrams.
Check out what I found an extremely rare pod while I was looking for additional sources for the F-4D specs:
This was the Pave Fire pod mounted on the F-4D of the 13 TFS based at Udorn in April 1971, which was pretty long and big. It’s a low-light TV laser scanner used to aid F-4s with toss bombing outside the range of hostile flak guns. However, the combat trials concluded the pod to be a failure, and consequently, the pod was abandoned. The F-4D was the only aircraft that had carried this type of pod.
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Hello gang. Please put this in the tree thanks. If you want a squadron version make it of a specific unit or something
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By 1990, ANG (well, I assume ANG) F-4Cs and F-4Ds were equipped with AIM-9M and AIM-7E-3 missiles as well.
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as a event vehicle maybe or in a same box with f-4e (to make tech tree shorter)
by 1990??
werent the F4C and D model far, far in retirement at that point?
oh ye nvm, just found that the D was used till '92, my bad. still, the 9M is a tad of an iffy one as only the F4E was still in more regular service for that one’s introduction
I should probably state that the most recent change to that manual I got that from is from 1990. The original print is from 1984, and everything indicates that every missile listed was in the print prior to 1990. So I guess it would be more accurate for me to say that these missiles were equipped on F-4Cs and F-4Ds by 1984 or 1989.
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That does not surprise me at all
It seems a lot of old planes still in service by the mid-late 80s got at least AIM-9L/M (I sadly still don’t have full confirmation for the A-4M or AV-8A/C, as none of the updated manuals I’ve been able to find for either contain armament sheets)
Gaijon PLEASE this thing would be so awesome to fly along with the long overdue f106 and f102
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I’d trade my F-4C for this, its default skin doesn’t even have tailcodes and modex, with USAF roundels missing on the wings… All the market skins are with US Navy livery which doesn’t even make sense.
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If I remember right, the F-4C’s Navy F-4B skins were back from when we didn’t have the F-4J, plus the F-4C is basically the closest to the F-4B in-game.
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Gaijin please, more American phantoms. The 3 in the tech tree and 1 as a premium just isn’t enough for a aircraft that has served for such a long time and is such a icon of it’s time. It’d be like only having 3 variants of the P-51 mustang only.
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