Thats a bit of a miss-use of a different statement there.
If technical compatability comes with a specific upgrade and the aircraft doesnt have that required equipment, then that statement would not apply. As it would not be “technically compatible”.
What was claimed ealier was Sniper not being compatible without AESA.
As has however already been proven above, F-15E clearly is compatable before the AESA upgrade.
No its quite accurate since you are generating another double standard by advocating for removal of features rather than additions like you did with the Swiss Hornets.
The sniper pod for the F-15E was always “technically” compatible with the sniper ATP, it just required a software update, there was no physical modifications required for the aircraft to carry it, meanwhile the Swiss Hornets are deploying A2G weapons that they never had the software to use, yet, per your own statement, there is nothing physically stopping those aircraft from carrying the weapons, and said hornets are using those A2G weapons without issue.
I would remind you that Swiss service F/A-18s lack all stores page functions for anything but dumb bombs in A2G mode. You can mount all of the weapons they currently have but none of them will function as you cant select any ord modes.
But that of course is not the case in game.
Im afraid not. I did not “advocate” for the removal of anything:
I simply advised that if something is technically incompatible, it can be reported. I made no such claim that it was or was not. Simply advised that people could submit reports if there was evidence.
There is no double standard here. We have been very clear technical compatability is all thats required. A different upgrade package would not be technical compatability and not at all be the same case as the Swiss Hornets.
However as others have already shown, it is clearly compatabile to its correct for the current F-15E to have sniper.
That has already been mentioned and shown above by others and was not questioned by me?
So im not sure what this is all about.
You most definitely did as you highlight below, as already stated you spoke with a completely different tone and angle when it came to both the Premium and tech tree Swiss Hornets, advocating at length for the inclusion of equipment and ordinance that were not present nor even usable by the aircraft present as there is no upgrade package made for the Swiss Hornets to provide the required software to operate A2G ordinance, especially GPS munitions.
Yes, when you have chosen to hold a different line with the Swiss hornets.
That is very much so your opinion.
Certifiably false, as already explained at length.
And the AN/APG-82(V)1.
Congratulations for taking a quote out of context, that is what we call a “comparative example” when you take into account what is present shortly after that line.
At this stage im not sure you are actually reading what was posted or are intentionally twisting it:
Again, as I stated here, IF (and only if, not any confirmation from me that its correct) someone has information that the F-15E was incompatable with Sniper without AESA, and if they have information to support that, then they can make a report.
At no stage have I made the claim it could or could not. Simply advised what people can do if they have that information.
The same thing would have been true if someone had information to show that the Swiss F/A-18 was not compatible with something. I would have advised them to make a report.
There was and remains no evidence to show there was ever any technical incompatibility there. Once again, you are free to make a report if you have some. But you are making a connection here that doesnt exist. I have not claimed the F-15E is or is not compatible with something.
Im afriad its a matter of fact. You are forming a connection that doesn’t exist and twisting answers of mine.
As I have said 3 times now, that was already proven before you even posted.
My answer this morning and to you multiple times now was IF there was a required upgrade package that required AESA upgrade, then it would not be technically compatible.
That was already proven not to be the case and not disputed by me at all here today before you even made your first post on this.
So you have simply misread or misunderstood, as at this stage you are arguing a point that has:
A) Already been proven today before you posted
B) Not disputed by me at all.
Hop to the bottom of the post I believe we have a disconnect occurring.
To remove the Sniper ATP, instead of adding the AN/APG-82(V)1, that is unless you are fine with the report requesting the addition of the AN/APG-82(V)1.
And I have not stated that you made a claim, I have however stated that you do advocate for the AN/APG-82(V)1 not being added as such is the dev’s current design for the vehicle, much in the same way you are an advocate for the Swiss hornets sporting ordinance that they cannot deploy as that is the design the devs have chosen.
Such a statement does not exist within the Swiss Hornet thread that you did indeed frequent during the dev server.
The only time you mentioned making a report happened to be for the addition of the historical sidewinders that these hornets actually use.
Which of course you assisted in pushing through the reporting portal, yet, has sadly not been acted upon.
Then I take it all the Swiss parliamentary data included in the myriad of reports on the subject was not credible? I would post such here but this is not the thread for such material.
And I have assisted others on multiple reports on the subject which were either ignored or denied.
And I respectfully disagree with that statement.
And I have not stated that you have made claims, as stated above, you advocate on the behalf of your office and employ.
And that the Sniper ATP can be reported to be removed, correct?
Ah I think I’m getting the disconnect we are having here, I am not taking umbrage with the package or it’s now current validity, I’m taking umbrage with the angle you chose to approach the entire situation from due to the stance you hold due to the developer’s current stance on the AN/APG-82(V)1.
In both the Swiss Hornet thread and here you maintain the developer’s stance on the ord and equipment for both aircraft, said stance is inherently negative here and positive there as the former prevents the addition of equipment while the latter enables such.
With this in mind, I would like to present a question, If I were to make a bug report that the JDAM-ER was only usable by a F-15E suite which sported the AN/APG-82(V)1 and that said radar should be added, would that in turn be denied on the basis of the dev’s stance on said radar or turned into a report to remove the JDAM-ER, or would it be a valid request to add the radar to the aircraft? This is of course with the assumption that I provide enough first party citations and such.
At the moment, the devs do not plan to add the AESA to the F-15E. This is intentional by the devs own choice. So the report would likely be denied on that basis, or converted into a proposal to remove the JDAM-ER if it can be clearly confirmed they were not useable without the AESA.
Its since been shown Sniper was fitted before AESA. So there is nothing to report there as of now.
So yes, thats my primary issue. I see this as a double standard on the dev’s part due to the stance they have chosen to take when compared to similar stances on other aircraft present, including the recent Swiss Hornets.
Because of the dev’s stance alone, one aircraft can have equipment added to it while the other will have it removed, that dislike.
There hasn’t been anything reported or any evidence the devs currently have to show the Swiss Hornets are incompatible with the equipment they currently have.
On the flip side, you are saying you do have evidence to show a direct incompatibility on the F-15E.
These are two different things.
I would then implore you then to go back to the reporting portal and check out the other reports submitted by Schindibee and others.
The question was an example I fabricated to gauge your response, I have no data on such matters.
Could you be more specific as to which ones? Unless I am missing one, all were answered: Community Bug Reporting System
Not a bug. When the Swiss government purchased the F/A-18C/D, one of the requirements was that the Swiss aircraft would have the same software as the US Navy’s F/A-18. Therefore, these aircraft are technically capable of carrying the same A-G weapons.
No (and this I got confirmed by Swiss Hornet groundcrew), the Swiss Hornets never had their A/G capability removed (contrary to the Finnish, as I heard), they just not integrated them. Note “integration” does not necessarily only mean making the aircraft able to use it, but also providing infrastructure, training, doctrine, everything…
The aircraft retained the capabilities. Nothing in the sources showed they were not. Simply they were not (weapons themselves) purchased.
That and I was going to post mine and realized that it does not exist on the portal. I guess I’ll re-make it since I still have the info on it.
Anywho rather off topic now as well, so I’ll continue such talk in the Swiss Hornet thread once I’ve got it up.
Bro has beef with smin 💀 over a pod and a radar (that, if implemented, would most likely be butchered by the devs, similarly to the current radars)
I’m all for the Jdam-ER’s and the sniper pod staying on the aircraft. I don’t believe AESA is even needed to operate that equipment but testing the F-15E in test drive I can see that using TWS with the sniper pod on it is letting the aircraft have AESA somehow, I think it’s a bug.
We have info about sniper ATP fovs or zoom?
does the sniper pod relay information to the F-15E’s radar and that is why im seeing multiple targets in TWS? or is that a bug
the sniper does nothing for the radar ingame
the radar is fully standalone
I see, I’m unsure why the F-15E has AESA, or is spotting multiple targets at once… I’m assuming glitch, it’s pretty fun to have though for the time being until I assume they fix it
the F-15E dosent have an AESA ingame
