In this case, it will be 370 mm, if without dynamic protection, at 68 degrees and 0
T-80BVM without ERA
220mm thick composite at 68 degrees - 587mm LOS
188.4mm effective steel protection at 68 degrees - 503mm LOS
When APFSDS defeats 404mm at 0 degrees, it penetrates 188.4mm at 68 degrees
Can you calculate in the comment how you get 587? Because I get 370
220mm / Cosine (68 degrees)
Thats 587mm line of sight
100mm / Cosine (60 degrees)
Thats 200mm line of sight (T-54 / T-55)
Alternatively you can use this
90 degrees sine = 0 degrees cosine
60 degrees sine = 30 degrees cosine
30 degrees sine = 60 degrees cosine
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Seriously you are showing made up tank stats by gaijn as an argument, seriously wow
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you do realise that 370mm of armour at 68 degrees would be nearly 1000mm LOS?
Heres the screenshot of the mod stating it as a fact to close a bug report.
(im not gonna comment on the quality of the bug report itself)
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Some Soviet tanks stored extra ammo in fuel tanks. The carousel is not in a fuel tank. Yeah, sometimes the mods are difficult to work with.
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Which addresses ammo not in the carousel.
You’ll note staff never mentioned carousel ammo.
BTW, expert crews likely reduce chance of ammo detonation by a lot for all tanks.
Also dude calling me a troll for criticizing Soviet vehicles… lol
Update: Starting to play T-80 again to see how many people aim for ammo.
I say that cause only one person aimed for ammo so far & of course they killed me cause they aimed for my ammo.
Other people aimed for turret, UFP, etc, and I’m showcasing my entire tank to players.
No hill peaking, no meta Gran Turismo 5 racing lines using tanks. Intentionally reckless, always showing the whole tank, always showing side armor of some kind.
But we don’t even know for sure if that round penetrated and is what killed it. We just have a couple photos showing that hit on the front and nothing else to go off of. It could have been hit and killed by arty (as many have this war), by a drone (as many have in this war), or from an ATGM anywhere else. While it is obvious it was hit by an APFSDS round, we don’t know if that is what penetrated and killed the tank or not.
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But are you actually criticising soviet equipment?Seems like you arent. You are just jumping between sides.
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Yes.
People worried that I’m criticizing their favorite vehicles is a little dumb.
Criticism/critique is neutral.
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I think whats the most annoying of all this is that if we use Gaijins modifiers…
https://wiki.warthunder.com/Armour
Modern High Hardness Armour = 1.1x
Air = 0.05x
Rubber = 0.20x
We get this for T-72B upper plate
60mm Modern HHRA x1.10
5mm Rubber x0.20
3mm Modern HHRA x 1.10
19mm Air x0.05
3mm Modern HHRA x1.10
5mm Rubber x0.20
60mm Modern HHRA x1.10
10mm Anti Radiation Lining x ???
50mm Modern HHRA x1.10
176mm Modern HHRA x 1.1 = 193.6mm
19mm Air x 0.05 = 0.95mm
10mm Rubber x 0.20 = 2mm
10mm Anti Radiation Lining x ??? = ???
193.6 + 0.95 + 2 + ??? = 196.55mm
Anti Radiation Lining doesnt offer much protection and theres only 10mm of it
YET somehow whilst every NATO tank uses these modifiers… It appears these modifiers simply do not apply for russian tanks
Instead of 196.55-200mm the 215mm thick composite plate is equivalent to 241mm…
That ladies and gentlemen is confirmed Russian Bias
This plate should only offer slightly more than 196.55mm using gaijins modifiers, but instead its 241mm…
Note… its at 0 degrees and im not pointing at Kontakt-5 ERA
According to the T-72B dev blog the KE protection is inbetween 500-500mm
196.5mm at 68 degrees = 525mm LOS
Obviously the anti radiation lining adds some extra protection on top of the 525mm LOS, but its within 500-550mm just like the dev blog says.
Instead in game the base hull is 241mm at 68 degrees equivalent which is 644mm LOS instead of gaijins advertised 500-550mm value
500-550mm you say?!, more like effin 644mm…
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Different ammo type impacting equivalent against?
3BK18M has that show up as 228.
Also, do the math on M1A2: 38 RHA, 800 NERA, 101 RHA.
Also, T-72B does indeed have between 500 - 550 equivalent:
The easiest way i can explain this is…
T-34-85
45mm thick hull sloped at 60 degrees, yes?
Whats the Line of Sight Thickness of T-34-85 hull?
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90mm if parallel with it.
Impact at the 60 degrees angle with APFSDS
What if i told you its not 90mm LOS but 77mm.
How would you argue against that? Well my argument is the same for T-72B
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