Making Russian Tank Protection more realistic

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T-72B3 Without ERA
194.76mm at 68 degrees - 520mm LOS

T-72B3 With Kontakt-5
243.45mm at 68 degrees - 650mm LOS

650mm - 20% (Kontakt-5 ERA) = 520mm Base Hull

When APFSDS defeats
417.5mm at 0 degrees, it defeats 194.76mm at 68 degrees (520mm LOS)

When APFSDS defeats
522mm at 0 degrees, it defeats 243.45mm at 68 degrees (650mm LOS)

https://img-forum-wt-com.cdn.gaijin.net/original/2X/a/affd9aea08609ad0f8cfa162a2684930e3f839fe.jpeg
T-72B3 using T-72B ‘85’ hull array, since T-72B3’s were upgraded from old T-72B’s in storage

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how is there penetration anything other than too high lol

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Historical Russian 125mm APFSDS penetration:

3BM9
245mm @ 2000m (0)
140mm @ 2000m (60)
112mm @ 2000m (68) - 299mm LOS

3BM15
400mm @ 2000m (0)
150mm @ 2000m (60)
120mm @ 2000m (68) - 320mm LOS

3BM22
420mm @ 2000m (0)
170mm @ 2000m (60)
136mm @ 2000m (68) - 363mm LOS

3BM26
410mm @ 2000m (0)
200mm @ 2000m (60)
160mm @ 2000m (68) - 427mm LOS

3BM29
360mm @ 2000m (0)
210mm @ 2000m (60)
168mm @ 2000m (68) - 448mm LOS

3BM32
395mm @ 2000m (0)
230mm @ 2000m (60)
184mm @ 2000m (68) - 491mm LOS

3BM42
395mm @ 2000m (0)
230mm @ 2000m (60)
184mm @ 2000m (68) - 491mm LOS

3BM42M
???mm @ 2000m (0)
???mm @ 2000m (60)
???mm @ 2000m (68) - ???mm LOS

3BM42-2
480mm @ 2000m (0)
280mm @ 2000m (60)
224mm @ 2000m (68) - 597mm LOS

3BM46
495mm @ 2000m (0)
290mm @ 2000m (60)
232mm @ 2000m (68) - 619mm LOS

3BM59
535mm @ 2000m (0)
312.5mm @ 2000m (60)
250mm @ 2000m (68) - 667mm LOS

3BM60
515mm @ 2000m (0)
300mm @ 2000m (60)
240mm @ 2000m (68) - 640mm LOS


3BM42-2
685mm Long Cartridge
615mm Long Projectile
570mm x 22mm Jacketed APFSDS at 1700m/s muzzle velocity
570mm x 18mm WHA Core
65m/s per 1km drop rate

Penetration:
522mm @ 0m - 1700m/s
480mm @ 2000m - 1570m/s


3BM60
735mm Long Cartridge
715mm Long Projectile
640mm x 22mm Jacketed APFSDS at 1660m/s
640mm x 18mm WHA Core
65m/s per 1km drop rate

Penetration:
564mm @ 0m - 1660m/s
515mm @ 2000m - 1530m/s


3BM59
735mm Long Cartridge
715mm Long Projectile
640mm x 22mm Jacketed APFSDS at 1650m/s
640mm x 18mm Depleted Uranium Core
65m/s per 1km drop rate

Penetration:
571mm @ 0m - 1650m/s
535mm @ 2000m - 1520m/s

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every round in the game is incorrect in pen for the most part just the way they calculate it

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They use Willi Odermatt and its accurate
What matters are the values they use to calculate the rounds

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i don’t think its massive issue for most except maybe lower pen top tier mbts but there can always be improvement

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Even the photos from UA show a smashed t80bvm, in the front plate, most likely from apfsds, maybe from a leopard or some UA t64, we don’t know, but in the photos you can see that the tank is only the hull, the puncture was so powerful, and in wt indestructible eh, the russian armor of the ner is very weak and backward compared to the west and in wt it is equal to or exceeds the west, which is funny, and I wonder where they get the data from, probably from Wikipedia because somehow I find it hard to believe that modern tanks in wt are in any way well reproduced it’s more some whims of the creators, but everyone knows who creates this game and what climate prevails there, so no wonder that this is how the USSR tree looks like, even what is happening at UA, they show that Russian tanks are garbage, nothing in tuesday will change.

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For some reason, everything is just the opposite. Also, send this photo, it would be very interesting to see it

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No one has forgotten, we just know it will never change.

RussianBias never changes.

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[quote=“Fleks, post:97, topic:14125, full:true”]
For some reason, everything is just the opposite. Also, send this photo, it would be very interesting to see it
[/quote] you have on reddit, in the topic of war thunder, I will not send photos here because I got banned once on the forum for 3 days

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Then send a link to reddit with this post, you can in private messages if you are afraid of something

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The Round which Ukraine uses which could do that is no other than the 125mm 3BM-42 APFSDS.
What appears to have happened is that the round hit exactly the area where the RELIKT simply failed to activate.

In the Post OP, I have calculated that the T-80BVM base hull armour is rated 503mm KE LOS along 68 degrees without ERA.

3BM42
450mm @ 0m (0) - 1700m/s
262.5mm @ 0m (60)
210mm @ 0m (68) - 560mm LOS

395mm @ 2000m (0) - 1527m/s
230mm @ 2000m (60)
184mm @ 2000m (68) - 491mm LOS

3BM-42 defeats 491-560mm LOS along 68 degrees within 0-2000m range

Which means T-80BVM which has 503mm LOS along 68 degrees base hull protection was penetrated because the RELIKT failed to do its job. Although, some of the RELIKT elements did act as slight additional armour in front of the main hull.

HOWEVER in War Thunder the T-80U, T-80BVM base hull armour overperforms so much, 3BM42 is nowhere near capable of penetrating the base hull armour even at point blank range

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102

you should have a private link

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Well, a very dubious photograph that does not identify itself in any way, despite the fact that the identification mark looks very good than the tank itself.

As for penetration, everything is the same, there could be several hits of shells

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Yes, I recieved

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Are you trying to suggest the “identification mark” was painted on after the fact, and that it isn’t really a destroyed Russian tank? That’s wild bro.

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Wildly, this is when such garbage is posted every day and people believe for some reason blindly in it, without trying to penetrate

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Different angle of the tank. Note on previous photo the penetration is on the right hand side near the bottom of the 3rd RELIKT block from the left. The penetration is in the exact same spot in this photo.

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Same photo as above, I understand? Or another tank?

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same tank, different angle

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