Making Russian Tank Protection more realistic

SEPv3 got it’s first new build contract in 2017 and was produced starting 2018
T-80BVM didn’t go into serial production until 2019.

I’m not counting when the tanks got to their units- as I cannot find any information on when the T-80BVM actually arrived to units for use.

Doubt we’ll get T-14 (The game would implode at top tier given how little is known about that tank.)

But I definitely hear you on not having to use T-90A again. I’m not quite there in the tech tree, but the closer I get the more I grumble.

They will. Swedish strv 122 has a better front plate and that’s it.

Still gets beautifully spalled and quacked from the side and destroyed like any other German tank. Or any other tank for that matter that isn’t Russian.

They have shit SPAA like all other nations, bad CAS, bad helicopters, and have only good tanks going on for them… still less good mbt’s than Russia.

Russia has something like 5,6 of those no-spall bullshit MBTs with good frontal plates.

Unbearable CAS and monstrously buffed helicopters.

So it’s not like they are right behind Russia in terms of Top-tier capability.

I just hate when people bring up Sweden because Russian mains whine that they can’t kill something when they just aim toward it without thinking where to shoot.

Everybody gets their #### handled by Russia at the top tier and that’s a fact.

Every game I play 19/20 games we get mauled no matter what you do.

It’s just not fair, period.

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T-90A is the worst tank I’ve used, and I know it’s also probably under-BR’d, but I have far more fun in IPM1 than I’ll ever have in T-90A.
All the worst aspects of T-72 without the fun of T-72B3.

Of course, I get ammo racked almost exclusively on T-series tanks, as I expect to. Not a complaint, cause it’s real.
Just as I ammo rack every T-series tank I come across.

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M1A2 SEP V3 will be glorious with its upgraded hull protection from 350mm KE to 535mm KE

Then with the additional steel plates added to the hull plate, even 3BM59/60 won’t penetrate it at point blank range

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Disagree.

6/10 times i dont get ammo rack while im using my T-80’s even tho people shoots at my lfp, my side armor or my ammo carousel directly.

Not mention i can show dozens of footage from YouTube where shell simply penetrates ammo carousel,hits penetrator chargers but nothing happens in return.

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I cannot understand how people don’t ammo rack T-80s, but I can accept your experience is real at the least.

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İts because ammo doesnt cook off but rather disappear in return.

2 Days ago when i was playin with my T80U i tanked 6 side shots. Not once or twice but six times, guess what happened in return?

İ only lost my commander alongside with couple shells, setted on fire and my ammo charges returned yellow in return.

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M829A2
690mm x 22mm DU rod at 1680m/s

Penetration:
638mm @ 0m (0 degrees)
298mm @ 0m (68 degrees) - 795mm LOS

M829A2 defeats
795mm LOS of steel along 68 degrees at point blank range.
753mm LOS of steel along 68 degrees at 2km
704mm LOS of steel along 68 degrees at 4km
645mm LOS of steel along 68 degrees at 6km

According to my estimations, T-90A upper plate is rated 685mm LOS of steel equivalent along 68 degrees. Nii Stali claims 6km but at 6km the shell drop angle would reduce the effective angle of T-90A upper plate so the 645 LOS should be just enough

But in our wonderful bias free game called War Thunder, M829A2 can’t penetrate the weaker T-80U upper plate at point blank range. It’s magic I know LOL

Yeah, I definitely prefer the mobility of the western vehicles. (But I’d be lying of the T-Series profile didn’t look sexy in its own way.)

The way they’re built, just about any penetrating shot towards the center of the tank should ammo rack them.
(They don’t always in this game unfortunately, conversely it works like armor…)

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Those additional steel plates are not actually used for armor they are there to simulate weight for the new armor package that sepv3 received. Also, I have no idea how Gaijin is going to model it because if Sepv1 is an issue for them regarding proper information Sepv3 armor is even more classified. Hopefully, they don’t gimp it and leave it with base m1 hull armor again.

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you also forgot that upper front plate wasn’t upgraded anyway and its still at 51mm thick

I know this is for ground vehicles… but I thought y’all might want to know what a 120mm HE direct hit does to a KA-50.

Hit it in the engine… damage the tail. I guess I went through the engine to damage the tail? And the engine is entirely untouched.
(This is the server replay btw… if you wanna catch this particular moment and look at Russian Bias in ALLLLL of its carrying glory… it’s right here, at 2:02.553- Fields of Poland with me in it.)

It is excessively difficult to follow the “don’t insult the devs” rule right now.

And with that- I think ima be done for a little while.

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Its russian top secret trans-dimensional armor it allows the aircraft to momentarily phase out of existence

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Sir, that’s just the simplified helicopter damage models saving it. I’ve had that happen to me on Apache before.
Damage models need complicating.

I don’t know what substances you’re using… but for the sake of amusement, can you explain to me how that shot didn’t:
Kill the crew with Shrapnel
Kill the crew with Overpressure
Destroy the engine it hit directly, let alone not damage it
Break the helicopter into at least 2 pieces

What kind of “simplified damage model” doesn’t damage a light skinned vehicle with a Direct HE hit???

You can’t even see the pilot because the point of detonation on next to his right ear- but somehow… not damaged.

I had to shoot this damned thing down by killing the pilot with AA .50cal

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As I said, helicopters use a simplified damage model at the moment.
Rotor blades don’t even have a damage model yet.

Rotorblades I at least understand to a degree and every vehicle gets that.

But direct HE hit is not something an Apache (or any other helo) survives. Hell the Apache just has a SAM detonate within earshot and an engine goes offline…

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(Psst: They do this exact same concept on the ground vehicles too… with crew hiding behind the AMMO CHARGES of the carousel… because they pumped their module health to stupid amounts in order to protect other things.)

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KA50s survive direct hits with HE because they have interior armor modelled (that one metal plate in the nose + ballistic glass)

HE shells hit that fat ass empty nose and all the spalling from hitting it slows down and can’t pen that big armor plate

Pretty much every other heli I can think of has crew/modules stored very close to the nose, so if it will get messed up by spalling

Ammo charges are below the crew, and they have the same health as all other shells.