when I used to play top tier regularly, which is now over a year ago (now I rarely go above 10.3) , the only tank where I really had to sweat to kill it was the T-80BVM, every other tank was a walk in the park.
So everybody saying that the T-80BVM is not the best tank in the game, by a lot, and that you should just “learn to play” is either a russian main who has never played a different nation in their thousands of hours of playing this game (which there are a lot, I often check profiles) or have an agenda, because thats the only thing that would make sense to me.
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I am getting pretty tired of using 2003 Invasion M1A2 SEP w/ 1993 ammunition against 2018 BVMs with 2010+ ammunition only for the BVMs to STILL get handholding crap like the BVM I shot where the crew was protected by the valiant 125mm ammo charges that turned red and ate the round- who turned around and oneshot me because all of the spall liners/compartment armors in my tank are actually spall-producers.
It gets pretty tiring… and I wonder how the Russian Mains actually feel about their literal best, in service, tanks having to be handheld to be competitive with tanks older than the US operation in Afghanistan and ammo only slightly younger than the Russian Federation.
Wonder if the Snail will ever actually add modern US equipment instead of 20 years ago.
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I also check profiles just because I started “studying” the top-tier situation. Many people only play Russia. Many people have something like over 1000 battles in T80BVM with a k/d ratio well above positive.
Don’t get me wrong I have many games where I get something like 9 kills with my Leopard 2a6, or Leclerc, or others. And we still lose, or some other player gets the very good game and we still lose.
It’s not about having bad teams on the western side most of the time.
It’s all about spamming T80BVM which I always count will there be 7 or 10 or 12 in the game at once pressing W and mauling everyone? For them, it’s like playing April Fool’s event.
If you manage to kill them they spawn ka 50, like 3 or 5 of them.
Or they spawn ka 50 at the start, many of them and continue to kill tanks even after death.
Ka 50 gun is more precise than all other choppers so good luck out gunning them or even trying to kill them with planes if you get close and they are remotely good players.
Or they spawn Pantsir and basically shut down the air space for all others.
Basically, at the top tier, everything is rigged towards Russia with all these things combined going for them.
And it’s not only BVM, also T80U series of their tanks can tank shots on the side like it’s nothing too, T72B3 is also one of them.
Got the nuke when I tried Russia’s top tier a couple of months ago with T72b3 without any problem rushing through the map and tanking shots on the side like it’s nothing and I wasn’t even trying that much.
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Neither half of the planes and helicopters at the top tier have their proper ordinance.
You see KA50 and KA52 dominating because you don’t see AH64D with all of its weapons and fire and forget hellfire missiles that it has in real life.
That’s the ONLY reason why it’s the strongest helicopter in the game and uncontested for years.
Because Gajin refuses to add fire and forgets to the most famous attack helicopter in the world who exclusively uses them for decades now.
And that’s how they artificially make Kamov’s the best helicopter in the game.
The same goes with the tanks, they have all their tanks and equipment and more at their disposal while other nations lack the proper ammunition and equipment they actually have in real life to counter that.
So they are very selective with the West while bringing undeniable favoritism to their Russian tanks and also allied China.
I have all China tanks which I don’t play cause guess what? Most of the time they are paired with Russia so good luck using my Tor m1 against Russian spam CAS.
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You say T-80BVM 2018 but it’s armour in this game is much stronger than in real life and the 3BM-60 in this game overperforms
3BM-60 Should not be
580mm @ 0m
But instead only
564mm @ 0m
All official Russian sources quote 300mm @ 2000m at 60 degrees of penetration
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Oh I am well aware of their Helo shenanigans. The Ka-52/Mi-28MN are even more magical than the T-80BVM… which is already quite a feat.
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I’m just referring to its production year.
I don’t think Gaijin has any actual information on any of the 11.0+ tanks.
They do this all the time.
They’ll close an inconvenient report and if you’re lucky they’ll tell you “working as intended.”
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Since we have stingers and other manpads in this state I suggest we should get trucks mounted with the fire pumps as SPAA. They would be as effective as the current spaa in bringing down their SU 25 and Kamov’s.
It will reduce the number of complaints definitely by Gajin standards. Maybe they are even thinking about that.
If you can’t shoot them down, at least you get to clean their mighty choppers and get a cleaning bonus after the fight.
You presume that President-S doesn’t make their mighty choppers immune to dirt and water.
They’ve already declared it immune to half of the MANPADS that are downing them in a certain unmentionable conflict.
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BVMs use 3BM60, which is similar to [nearly identical to in performance] M322, a Tungsten version of the M829A1 round.
And you don’t mention Strv 122 which shares identical first-shot armor, and far more multi-shot armor.
And no, 3BM60 is not the best round, as proven by its penetration.
3BM59 is superior & not in the game. 3BM69 is superior and not in the game.
The fact you’re complaining that US equipment from 1999 is superior to 2016 tanks from Russia is… hilarious.
@D00MBrInG3r777
Weird since I still have not died to a single Pantsir in ground RB.
Ka-50 still hasn’t killed me in my planes, and the last time they killed me at all was a month ago on Mozdok but that was my fault for being in the open when cover was nearby, and I killed them back with M1A2.
T-80U cannot tank shots from anything other than old IFVs. That’s like saying M1A2 can tank shots from the side cause net armor is ~80mm.
Kamovs have exclusively faced nerfs since introduction, not a single buff. This fact does not care about our feelings.
F&F isn’t on any helicopter other than Tiger UHT, which is the reason UHT is the best helicopter in the game.
@Sombralix
Russian RHA plates are different to NATO standard plate. Clearly they are harder plates.
If you have an issue with penetration, tough. Realism matters more than our feelings, and M322 does not perform that much differently than 3BM60 both IRL & in-game.
Physics mathematics proves this based on the penetrators characteristics.
That’s cause you don’t play top tier and you don’t know what the heck you are talking about 99% of the time here.
I’ll give you that 1% cause even a stray bullet can sometimes hit the target.
Nope. Russia uses 260BHN standard as well
Plus my L-O equation also gets 300mm @ 2000m at 60 degrees vs 260BHN steel plate specifically
Here you have
125mm 3BM-29 APFSDS vs 260BHN steel
210mm @ 2000m at 60 degrees
125mm 3BM-9 apfsds vs 260BHN steel
140mm @ 2000m at 60 degrees
Also
M829A1 is 680mm x 21.6mm DU Monobloc round
KE-W is 680mm x 21.6mm WHA Monobloc round
M322 is 620mm x 25mm WHA Monobloc round
3BM-60 is 640mm x 22mm WHA Jacketed round
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Ammo simply not burning /not catching fire really need to be addressed (Across the board). Fuel tank explode should be turn off (for the most part).
But it seem Gaijin still saw that as “working as intented” i guess.
I disagree, since you are required to hit more then one AGTMs most of the time to kill any tank, be it a Leopard 2, M1A2 or T-90A, the UHT is overrated anyway and only considered the best helicopter ingame since its the only one with FnF ATGMs, the Vikhrs are arguably much better with 3km more range, being faster, being able to aim where you want them to hit, the PARS most of the time hit center of mass and then getting absorbed by the roof mg or other stuff or hitting nothin important.
and trust me I do own the Tiger UHT.
weird when I wanted to try the new Challenger 2E, that I recently unlocked, and then went into my Harrier, after I died, I got shot down immediately by a Pantsir, strange…
What about other tanks? Do they have an overrated shell penetration?
It is best to focus on Russia and nerf and leave other nations because it would be inconvenient to nerf them
Didn’t argue for or against that.
But it doesn’t get the ammo armor that protects the crew. Quite the opposite.
It’s the best round the Russians can use in their in service tanks, and a lot newer than the rounds offered to the Abrams…(And the difference in penetration between 59 and 60 is minimal) And it’s being fired at armor from 1999 for the US. It’s a point-click adventure as long as they avoid turret cheeks…
It’s also not usable by any of the T-64/72/80 variants so that’s moot.
I’m annoyed that they’re giving the Russian faction tanks that are artificially inflated as opposed to putting them at lower BR where they belong.
T-80BVM with ERA functioning in a way that resembles reality and without the spall reduction and with the ammo not being armor would be about on PAR with M1A1 AIM/HC…provided they removed the extra spalling from the Abrams.
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