Making Russian Tank Protection more realistic

Yet all the values i calculated match what gaijin has pretty much, the issue being is that instead of them being applied at 68 degrees LOS, you need that penetration at 0 degrees, which is what causes them to overperform.

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I would like to discord call you to explain everything but I am respectfully telling you this analysis is not correct.

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What you are saying is true about the los being applied as flat. but you can mathematically calculate the protection of the arrays. which you attempted, but this is not correct.

Ok then
T-72B
215mm thick composite at 68 degrees - 574mm Line of Sight thickness.

How much steel equivalent protection would you rate it

~560mm LOS with a mass efficiency of 1.1, or 450mm against longrods

I prefer that estimate compared to 660mm LOS in game…
Either way my estimate was 550mm LOS

My figures are at least feasible and realistic compared to whatever this is ingame causing top tier to be comprised of 2 teams both featuring russian tanks with the teams being 60%+ russian tanks

Please discord me lmao my forum UN is the same as Discord

sent request but it says guardians#6521 doesnt exist

its just Guardians6521, Theres no hashtag

You don’t have to say some to hide the identity, you can just say Challenger 2, be proud.

Oh yeah, I forgot this post existed.
All MBTs get positive modifiers to their steel.

No, they are overestimated. only ONE tank has a “positive modifier” using the nato composite efficiency structure, and that is the T-80U array. with a nato KE modifier of 1.01

I forgot to add i meant this is with the correct protection applied to a T-80U. its overperforming by ~100mm LOS

Ariete is a notable one with positive on steel, same as Soviets.
Abrams have positive on steel, same as Soviets.
Et cetera.

Steel with a modifier of 1.25 on T-72B’s steel gives it at least 132mm of flat protection.
M1A2 SEP has 503 at 0, which the x-ray NERA does not have enough on the stat-card to make it such.
291 on M1 Abrams. 36mm equivalent of NERA according to the wiki page.
1.25x 139mm of steel = 173+36=209mm. So there’s missing information or there’s a higher modifier on NERA than we’re led to believe.

As for T-80U.
230mm flat equiv.
150mm steel, 60mm Textolite.
150x1.25 = 187.5. 60x0.225= 13.5.
So 201.

Honestly, I think they changed modifiers of a number of things without updating the wiki.

This is all speculation

But this thread from Tanknet.org provides some interesting insight.
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Hell when the M900 Was made, it literally was rated and i qoute " Able to penetrate all known armor " Gaijin knows they’ve over buffed russian armor and they did this on purpose.

I’ve had someone estimate M829A3 able to penetrate over 720mm -750mm at 0 degrees from 0 meters 650 - 690MM AT 2,000 meters

If you calculate M829A3 as 830mm x 24mm all DU round at 1555m/s
You get 720mm @ 0m at 0 degrees
But it has 110mm WHA tip so its actually slightly less than 720 but definitely over 700

Okay see the problem is that you cant calculate soviet protection by knowing the effectiveness of just one layer and blanketing it over the entire array. Because each layer acts differently in each array configuration. And this is also not how the Russians did it. that’s why you don’t see numbers and values from Russia sources that look like NATO modifiers.

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Which would only be the T-72B 1985 [referencing alleged real-armor], as everything with serious armor is 1989 or newer in-WT besides the allegedly real armor of T-72B 1985 with K1.

Since someone mistakenly missed context;
In WT, they currently have the same armor arrangement.
My post is not addressing BOTH of their in-game armor arrangements, it’s addressing the real-world claim of M900 & all Soviet tanks during its creation.