Good job man. Finally in detai! Proof why t80bvm is most played top mbt and why generally half of player base or more plays top tier Russia. This gets fixed and everyone at top tier has much more fun except tryhards! And also they need to fix no spall isue when the round manages to penetrate. The armor values arent the only artificial buff they have. Totally ridiculous!
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AT 68 DEGREES
M111 (4.0kg penetrator, 4.2kg projectile) at 1455m/s. 330mm WHA rod
M774 (3.4kg penetrator) at 1509m/s. 345mm DU rod
M833 (3.58kg penetrator) at 1494m/s. 427mm DU Rod
120mm DM33 (4.3kg penetrator) at 1650m/s. 510mm WHA rod
120mm M322 (5.4kg penetrator, 5.6kg projectile) at 1705m/s. 620mm WHA rod
M111 [Left Column, Tungsten]
326mm @ 0m (0 Degrees)
152mm @ 0m (68 degrees) - 405.8mm LOS
M774 [Right Column, Depleted Uranium]
353mm @ 0m (0 degrees)
165mm @ 0m (68 degrees) - 439.3mm LOS
M833
396mm @ 0m (0 Degrees)
185mm @ 0m (68 degrees) - 493mm LOS
120mm DM33
484mm @ 0m (0 Degrees)
225.8mm @ 0m (68 degrees) - 603mm LOS
120mm M322
589mm @ 0m (0 Degrees)
275mm @ 0m (68 degrees) - 734mm LOS
Targets M111 can defeat:
T-54 / T-55 / T-62 = 180mm KE
T-64A ‘67’ / T-64B ‘76’ / T-80 ‘76’ / T-72M = 279mm KE
T-80B ‘78’ = 287mm KE
T-55AM / T-62M = 288mm KE
T-72 Ural-1 / T-72A ‘79’ = 301mm KE
Targets M774 can defeat
All that M111 can
T-72 ‘83’ = 340mm KE
Targets M833 can defeat
All that M774 can
T-72M1 = 340-362mm KE
T-64A ‘82’ / T-64B ‘82’ / T-80 ‘82’ = 352mm KE
T-72B ‘84’ = 380mm KE
T-64BV = 384mm KE
Targets 120mm DM33 can defeat
All that M833 can
T-80BV = 421mm KE
T-72B ‘85’ = 434mm KE
Targets 120mm M322 can defeat
All that 120mm DM33 can
T-72M2 = 486-518mm KE
T-80U = 506mm KE
T-80UM2 = 506mm KE
T-72B3 = 522mm KE
T-72B ‘89’ = 550mm KE
T-90 = 550mm KE
T-90A = 550mm KE
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It’s proof of nothing. It’s bunch of claims without documentation backing it up. It they OP has documentation to back up their then they should make a report on bug report site. Also it already been answered that the spall thing is intended and not a bug.
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issue we habe right is is that
T-72B ‘85’ needs 530mm KE at 0 degrees to be penetrated by APFSDS
When APFSDS defeats 530 at 0 degrees, it defeats 247.29mm at 68 degrees which is 661mm LOS
T-72B ‘85’ hull array composite is only 574mm thickness in LOS and somehow in the game it provides 661mm LOS of steel protection along 68 degrees.
Basically gaijin hasnt shown us proof for their values but what we do know is that they are unrealistic and not even feasible
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I’ve always found it impressive, how can it be that players of a game make calculations with much more sense and collect data infinitely better than the developers?
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found the rossiyan main
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Can we make it so Russian MBTs actually get spall damage now?
Has everyone forgotten that there is a feature written in the code that prevents spall from being created on top tier russian MBTs?
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Nope, it was answered it was intentional.
Why is it intentional?
It I remember right it was do to wet storage.
Russian MBTs dont use wet storage xD
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Obviously if the changes were to go live, a lot of BR’s and ammunition rounds would have to be adjusted especially for Russia
Tier 5
T-54 Mod 1951 - 7.7BR (APHE/APHEBC)
T-54A - 8.0BR (APCBC / 3BM8)
T-55A - 8.3BR (3BM20)
T-62 - 8.3BR (3BM3/3BM4)
T-55AMD-1 - 8.7BR (3BM20)
T-62 Obr. 1975 - 8.7BR (3BM6/3BM21)
Tier 6
T-55AM - 9.0BR (3BM25)
T-62M-1 - 9.0BR (3BM28)
T-64A - 9.0BR (3BM15)
T-72 Ural - 9.0BR (3BM15)
T-72A - 9.3BR (3BM22) [Mod 79 stock / Mod 83 upgraded]
T-64B - 9.3BR (3BM22) [Mod 82 stock / BV Mod 85 upgraded]
T-72B ‘85’ - 9.7BR (3BM26/3BM29) [Mod 84 stock / Mod 85 upgraded]
T-80BV - 9.7BR (3BM26/3BM29) [Mod 82 stock / Mod 85 upgraded]
Tier 7
T-72B ‘89’ - 10.0BR (3BM26/3BM32)
T-80U ‘86’ - 10.0BR (3BM26/3BM32) [No Thermals]
T-80UM - 10.3BR (3BM32/3BM42) [Has Thermals]
T-90A - 10.3BR (3BM32/3BM42)
T-72B3 - 10.7BR (3BM42/3BM42-2)
T-72B3M - 11.0BR (3BM42-2 / 3BM60)
Tier 8
T-72BM ‘Rogatka’ - 11.7BR (3BM46 / 3BM60)
T-80BVM - 11.7BR (3BM42-2 / 3BM60)
T-72BM2 - 12.0BR (3BM42-2 / 3BM60)
T-90M - 12.0BR (3BM42-2 / 3BM60)
T-14 Prototype - 12.3BR (3BM59 / 3BM60)
T-14 Production - 13.0BR (3BM70 / 3BM69)
US
Tier 5
M60 - 7.7BR (M392 APDS)
M60A1 - 8.0BR (M392 APDS)
M60A1 (AOS) - 8.3BR (M728 APDS)
M60A1 RISE - 8.7BR (M735 APFSDS)
Tier 6
M60A3 TTS - 9.3BR (M774 APFSDS)
MBT70 - 9.7BR (XM578E1 APFSDS)
M1 Abrams - 10.0BR (M774 APFSDS)
IPM1 Abrams - 10.3BR (M833 APFSDS)
Tier 7
M1A1 - 10.7BR (M829)
M1A1HA - 11.0BR (M829)
M1A1HC - 11.7BR (M829A1)
M1A2 Baseline - 11.7BR (M829A1)
Tier 8
M1A1 AIM - 12.0BR (KEW-A2)
M1A2 SEP V1 - 12.0BR (M829A2)
M1A2 SEP V2 - 12.3BR (M829A2)
M1A2 SEP V3 - 12.7BR (M829A3)
M1A2 SEP V4 - 13.0BR (M829A4)
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I cant see how the T-14 would be 13.0 or how Gaijin would model BM70 given its lack of even rudimentary documentation.
T-14 would be breech repair simulator, and if flanked, very easy to get the whole crew in one shot.
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If they want to be truly realistic, they should change the era on russian tanks to cardboard.
That being said, great work!
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Consequences of making my proposed protection value change
T-55AM: From 236mm KE to 288mm KE (22% Buff)
T-62M-1: From 236mm KE to 288mm KE (22% Buff)
T-64A: From 253mm KE to 279mm KE (10% Buff)
T-72A ‘79’: From 321.5mm KE to 301mm KE (7% Nerf)
T-72A ‘83’: From 359mm KE to 340mm KE (5-6% Nerf)
T-64BV: From 450mm KE to 367mm KE (22.5% Nerf) [Without K-1 included]
T-72B ‘85’: From 530mm KE to 417mm KE (27% Nerf)
T-72B ‘89’: From 656mm KE to 550mm KE (19% Nerf)
T-80B ‘82’: From 444mm KE to 361mm KE (23% Nerf)
T-80U: From 630mm KE to 506mm KE (24.5% Nerf)
T-90A: From 630mm KE to 550mm KE (14.5% Nerf)
T-72B3: From 630mm KE to 522mm KE (20.5% Nerf)
T-80BVM: From 864mm KE to 674mm KE (28% Nerf)
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also not to forget that some of the penetrators we have ingame where build to defeat ERA or even heavy ERA
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Personally… I think anti era shouldnt be implemented cuz they M829A3 and M829A4 would completely remove the meaning of armour from the game.
They should just be modelled as full on 830mm DU rods with no anti era.
That way M829A4 wont be able to pen T-90M past like 1km.
If russian tank armour didnt UFO, nobody would be asking for that feature.
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Maybe but the DM53 and one of the Chally rounds are anti ERA
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BVM uses Relikt, not Kontakt 5.
There’s no evidence of DM53 going through Relikt + armor.
I agree with the premise of this thread.
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ehh gotta defend Razer here, he is one of the few russian players supporters that can be even talked to and has no problem to critise them as well or defend other nations when it comes to it
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