Yes Overpowered as a SAM, A SAMS job is to kill planes that’s the metric the Pantsir has been by and far the best at doing that hence it is overpowered in what it is in game to do.
Yes new CAS is making the Pantsir less relevant with new airframes that have the energy to defeat the missiles.
It’s not overpowered as a SAM because it can hardly fend off top-tier CAS.
You mean the 3 new jets added since the last update…
What about prior to that? Things move on in War thunder Pantsir is still the best sam by a country mile.
The SM3 was already beyond its capabilities. The F-15C models also had Mavericks capable of putting them into the ground. Hell, even my A-10C with glidebombs destroys them every time.
Mavs on F-15C? Besides they can easily shot the Mav down. And dying to GBU-39? Like for real?
As a ground player. Im not grinding planes to have a counter to CAS.
And how is it balanced if you uptiered from lets say 11.7 to max. BR, but encounter much more powerful aircraft, not just one BR higher, but two.
I understand the sentiment, and I was the same… but it really is the best interim fix.
As a Japan main now, I don’t really play arb much, but I do play GRB and grind my planes that way. I now have the 12.0 f16 and it’s the best to go after planes and tanks.
There does become a point where you’re the detriment if you aren’t able to contribute to your team in the most meaningful way you can. Unfortunately for most nations that is CAP. Even pantsir is not good enough for good players but most GRB players aren’t the best.
I beat f15e’s and typhoons in my f16aj. Just run radar off and close from the sides when you see someone. Or fire off an aim7 and crank to get on their side and close distance and use it as a distraction to close WVR then radar off and come in guns blazing with 9l’s.
All this said, we still need meaningful SPAA… but we don’t have it, so do what you can.
Also, GRB max I think it’s 12.7(but don’t quote me) so you’re really only 1 br away.
They break arb up because it’s only plane on plane so those small difference or big ones manifest is much larger ways which is why larger decompression occurred. GRB is more that AA gameplay so planes aren’t br’d the same way.
just add Nasam symestems basically ground based aim120 its a good a equivlent you could also do Ciws truck aswell as thats good to NASAMS - Wikipedia
4 120s and 2 aim9X sidewinders
C-RAM truck
almost every country could get one
I don’t understand how one can look at the Pantsir and then at other nations’ SAMs and think, “Fair and balanced” Some arguments in this chat are valid, like the fact that CAS is kind of overpowered I agree. But doesn’t having an insanely good SAM compared to others make CAS even more overpowered? By that logic, USSR CAS has a much easier time performing well than any other nation at the moment. Just imagine spawning in a plane and having to immediately defend because two Pantsirs have fired at you the second you spawned. Not to mention that NATO plane RWR doesn’t even work against the Pantsir anymore. That SAM should never have been added, period. At the very least, it should have been nerfed to be in line with other SAMs.
Luhmao cope. It should and has been added. What is needed is Pantsyr equivalents. Also, dying to SPAA is cringe in top tier CAS.
I really love how constructive and smart you are! Though, watch out your IQ is leaking, you should patch that up. Now, do you have any other well developed and thoughtful ideas to share?
Or just give anti radiation missile
As much as I’d love to see them, just like the Pantsir, they would be broken. Hear me out giving it to everyone (the US and USSR in this case) wouldn’t fix the issue of SAM bias in favor of the USSR. Simply adding things like the AGM-88 to the US would just create the opposite problem, leading to total US supremacy in CAS. This brings us back to the argument that the Pantsir shouldn’t have been added in the first place. Yet as a matter fact is, it was, and Gaijin doesn’t seem to give a flying fuck about fixing it.
HARM wasn’t use by US only lot of nation using them
Brits have ALARM
Russia with Pantsir will be fine they can also shoot it down too
Yes, I know I only mentioned the US and USSR to simplify things. However, my point still stands, it would make CAS even more overpowered by clubbing SAMs even further, while the Pantsir would still remain the best by a long shot.
Pantsir would intercept HARMS…We have gone too far now
Likely true but it would still be an amazing weapon against SAMs and would just tip the scale even more so in CAS favor.
Turn off the radar and any anti-radar missile will not hit. Even the pantsir is no longer enough, given the abundance of CAS . Stop crying already. They will add stationary air defense systems for NATO countries. True, they won’t get close at all, but I think you’ll manage somehow.
modern anti-radiation missile are not that stupid simply turn off the radar might work on early ARM like AGM45
HARM and ALARM are different story