I would like to share information about the M-41GTI with @RussiaRX9R providing the information.
( If you have any questions, I’ll help translate.)
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a great and LT for germany.
+1 from me!
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Wouldn’t it be clearer if a comment was left in the thread explaining it to everyone?
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Would be a wonderful addition to Japanese ground with the new Thai (+?) subtree! +1
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I thnk we’ve seen that in the case of such vehicles, like the F-20, it goes to the producer nation.
Unless it was a purpose built variant for a specific nation, which this is not.
In anycase, i would be in favour of both Thailand and Germany getting this, like the DF105 for both France and Germany.
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I think because by the forum standards - if it was never adopted, then the nation which actually tested the vehicle would get them. Germany didnt test the vehicle but Thailand did so it was designated as a Thai vehicle as a result.
Of course there are always vehicles that were never operated by anyone, suggestions for these vehicles are just sorted by the nation that actually tested them
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This standard is very clearly not enforced evenly. There are numerous suggested Chinese export vehicles that have been tested and even purchased by other nations, yet they still remain suggested under China with some having duplicate suggestions for both China and the other nation in question. The ST-1BR is probably the most clear example. It was a variant of the ST-1 specifically meant for and tested by Brazil, yet it was approved for suggestion under China.
At the end of the day, I don’t really care where this suggestion is placed on the forums and I am not looking to start an argument, however, I stand by my opinion that this vehicle belongs primarily to Germany though I would not be opposed to Japan or both getting it.
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I suppose you could comment on the suggestion to have it placed under the Other-Nations tag since I do think you are right, the PLA doesnt seem to have tested the vehicle and neither China nor Brazil has yet to adopt the vehicle so it really should be placed under a Brazilian tag.
This particular vehicle is pretty popular within the the Thai subtree peeps so its probably why it got caught so quickly and the tag modified to Other-Nations lol. Still, even if this is clearly a new modification and upgrade, once this gets implemented - people will still be shouting Copy & Paste, which is just utterly wrong.
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Agreed, if one country MUST get it, it should be Germany, and then it could be given to Japan as well, similarly to the Stingray light tank for the US
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Personally, I prefer this one to be on the Japanese tech tree just because the leKPz 41 is already a bit of an upgrade over the regular M41, while the Japanese TT just has a regular one.
This one would not have HEAT-FS probably and it seems to lack a .50 cal. Really this would be an inferior version of the leKPz 41 in the German Tech Tree, but in the Japanese Tech Tree - this would be an upgrade and an option for a mobile vehicle within the ~6.7 BR that I think this would be perfect in (that is .50 cal proof at least).
Also almost all picture you can find on this thing is just during its time being tested in Thailand, in its Thai livery.
How would this be inferior to the German one? This one has a stabilizer, thermals, and a better suspension. Also, it’s a German prototype built on a German M41 with the G in GTI literally meaning German, so it should go to Germany No? Should be added as German TT and Japanese Squadron/premium (or maybe a battle pass?)
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Remind me again what the F stands for in the DF-105 only in the German tree.
France? I never said the French shouldn’t get it.
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The point is the name doesn’t have anything to do with the placement. A similar situation to this is the Class 3P where Gaijin said they would have put it in the SADF tree instead if it was in game when the event happened.
Fact is it was made by thyssen henschel, a german company.
If a vehicle was never put in service, only trialled, at maximum it can be considered for the nations that trialled it.
First priority and largest claim goes to nation that designed the vehicle.
Simple as.
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This is just straight up wrong. If it was never put into service, it only goes to the manufacturer nation if it was never trialed by anybody as what I have said earlier.
Also, there is literally not a single picture in here that was intended for the Bundeswehr. Theyre all for the Royal Thai Army and was designed for the Royal Thai Army. If you want a purely “German” M41, might I suggest the M41 DK-1 which is just better with a new engine, thermals, and APFSDS that was trialed by the Danish Army.
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Literal lie lol.
The suggestion itself says it wasnt.
The irony of saying a danish m41 is better suited for germany than a german made vehicle that was trialled by some nation some where sometime and never thought of by them again.
Fact is, it doesnt matter what we think.
Rheinmetall makes a ton of vehicles and not all of them end up in service. And for example there are kf51 panthers trialled by nations but as of right now, germany has the first claim to the trialled chassis.
If you want an M41 for japan find something.
If you want an m41 for thailand you cant claim priority nor exclusivity on the GTI.
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I would like to note that the exact wording I used was “not exclusively intended for Thailand” and not “not built for Thailand”. Though I have not seen any primary source stating that it was built at the request of the Royal Thai Army, many secondary sources appear to assert that Thailand had some hand in its creation.
That being said, the GTI first appeared at the Defense-86 Exhibition held in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to attract other potential buyers. It was only after this exhibition did it undergo trials in Thailand.
Thailand was also not the only nation that trialed the GTI. The ROC did as well and one source even mentions Denmark trialing it, though I have my doubts about that.
It’s also just important to remember that forum rules for categorizing suggestions are in no way equivalent to Gaijin’s own rules for addition. I am of the opinion that arguing about a vehicle’s in-game placement based on rules that Gaijin doesn’t even use is not productive. At the end of the day, the GTI will go where Gaijin wants it to go.
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Wtf are you even smoking? This vehicle isn’t german enough for you so you suggest a DANISH vehicle as a replacement for it?