Authentic and realistic doesn’t make a difference between armor and electronics. No matter how desperately you want that to be.
Seems like my negative report triggered you a bit, is it because it doesn’t put your precious Gaijin in a positive light? That it doesn’t praise them into the heavens?
No, it’s because I despise dishonesty.
HA! now that is rich
something something pot something something kettle.
I guess you, me and Gaijin are all dishonest than.
No, Gaijin thinks their sources are correct and they’re sincere about their position.
There’s no malice, no dishonesty, just a perspective based on solid primary sources that IMO are dated, and newer documents contradict.
While I currently cannot locate an open file speaking on SEP V1 or V2s DU armor, there is a study 100% confirming the use of DU in the turrets of M1A1 models and the original M1A2.
The document in passing mentions removing the ballistic protection from the front hull and skirts to avoid unnecessary contamination of armor (possibly referencing removing the DU screens from these areas) as the tests were primarily on turret penetrations.
Multiple times though, the Capstone tests directly mention and confirm DU armor usage dating back to ODS, specifically mentioning that no Abrams using this armor was impacted by enemy/friendly fire.
Here is the whole testing and evaluation document- Capstone Depleted Uranium Aerosols: Generation and Characterization
all good, I can’t seem to find much about it the total weight of TUSK either, but I personnaly don’t see where that 1.2 extra tons comes from, regardless cheers.
There are no solutions, Gaijin has just made it pretty clear the US top tier tech tree for ground is dead, the SEPv3 will be a heavier SEPv2 with no real changes, the SEPv4 much the same, I mean damn, Gaijins statement on M829A3 makes me question them quite a bit, that is also the US’s final real round for this game as far as the M1s are concerned.
The M1A2 SEP weighs only a bit more then the original SEP due to weight reduction programs, that is why this:
Somehow didn’t affect the M1s weight at all.
SEP4 doesn’t exist, and SEP3 definitely has improved hull armor.
You underestimate how easily it is for Gaijin to change once they know their playerbase supports said change.
The only fear change because they fear backlash.
Also I found that source a year ago, shared it, then deleted it & it appeared again.
I deleted it cause it doesn’t solve the problem.
Knowing upgrades happened doesn’t help implement said upgrades in the current ruleset.
Yep, that is precisely the document I was reading in regards to the ARAT tiles weight, buy yea I actually can’t figure out where all that weight comes from, 65.2 tons or whatever is much higher then what it seems it should be.
Firstly, a SEPv4 does exist i.e. a testbed.
Secondly, prove it has improved armour, ill wait for you to get me those values.
You underestimate how easily it is for Gaijin to change once they know their playerbase supports said change.
Oh? how long have US, French, British and Italians mains been saying their armour is incorrect for, how many years now?
Also I found that source a year ago, shared it, then deleted it & it appeared again.
I deleted it cause it doesn’t solve the problem.
So, then I take it the budget document that states the SEPv3 has improved hull and turret armour doesn’t matter either, because what on earth does improved even mean, right?
And in those years no solution has been found.
The first ever solutions were discovered in this half of this year, and we’re still figuring out formatting.
Me: I want Abrams armor improved.
Why are you implying you’re against that with your rather bad takes?
As it stands, Gaijin has made it crystal clear, there is still no solution for the foreseeable future.
Also, I keep seeing you state the M1 currently has its DU armour values, where does Gaijin get the current M1 DU values from?
We’re stuck cause there’s nothing conclusive before SEP3, and M1A2 - M1A2 SEP2 weight gain isn’t more than a ton.
Now, 1 ton is something. Computer equipment, guns, armor, etc as potential options.
The stated weight for the SEPv1 and SEPv2 is irrelevant:
fyi if you hate dishonesty, you should really hate what Gaijin did with using this document to state there could not be any armour improvements due to weight:
Because Gaijin literally acknowledged the weight reduction program that I just gave you a week or two back when they implemented said titanium into certain parts of the SEP and SEPv2 as noted by datamines.
It’s crazy to me that you think Gaijin doesn’t have two standards / can be completely disingenuous.
Gaijin looked at multiple US and British military documents that stated the Stinger should pull 20 - 22gs and according to said documents it was stated that this was in fact its lateral acceleration, Gaijin however does not believe it is possible for the Stinger to have a 20 - 22gs and so gave it the made up figure of 13gs:
You also seem to forget that Gaijin nerfed the Mistral and Stinger based off of info they got on the Igla, that stated it could only pull 10gs i.e. they nerfed the Mistral and Stinger down to the Iglas level just because… why? They had no evidence that what was true of the Igla was true of the Stinger and Mistral.
Proof of this being the case.
@AlvisWisla Hey, you told me earlier today, that for another Bug report to pop up I should wait for one of you guys to do it (when you have enough information gathered for another go) or I should do it myself.
Since I am not that deeply into the search as you (guys) are, I will not do one because I would just “copy’n paste” things from the “Hull Armor of the M1 Abrams”-thread and what maybe would even worsen up things when I need to explain something.
You guys are better at that than I am, but please dont stop fighting. I beg you!
I mean at this point anyone that thinks there isn’t a double standard is just lying to themselves.
The T-34 has the same cross road speed as an M18, the XM883 (Spookston special), the We’re going to nerf FMs for balance because everyone is murdering our MiGs but we can’t be assed to buff a US tank despite it having hot garbage W/Rs.
To be expected given the amount of bias they have. Something wrong? Is it anyone other than German/Russian? Don’t hope they’ll bother to fix it in the next 3 years. If Russian/German? Front of the line, don’t need half the evidence those ‘other’ nations need either.
For now I’m taking a breather from doing any further digging. It’s the holiday season and I could probably afford a break to cool my heels after spending last couple weeks going through a bunch of different search engines and wording to find more sources. We’ll see how I’m feeling next month as to whether or not I think I can dig anything else up.
This response is understandable but if they say that about M829A3 then I’d be betting 3BM59 would have slightly less performance than that comparatively which wouldn’t be much of an improvement either.
At least in steel beasts (who has been updating ammo and armor as of recent) put both rounds at above 800mm of penetration, which I believe is LOS RHA equivalent with the 829A3 being a bit higher and then DM73 having very slightly better performance than M829A3 out of the L55
