Considering the USSR was the main user of this vehicle i support the addition to the soviet TT
According to Green, Michael (2014), in his works of American Tanks & AFVs of World War II, up to half of the Soviet Union’s air defense forces consisted of M17s.
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+1 for Lend-Lease. This and other Lend-Lease vehicles were in service with their respective armies and are viable candidate vehicles for TT and Premium slots.
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Same chassis and turret, with some minor differences. Just because you CAN add a vehicle, doesn’t mean you should.
The M17 should NOT be added as it would make Americas ONLY 2.7 SPAA option less unique. It’s already bad enough that Japan has an M16 and France has the VTT (the CM52 is fine though imo).
The M17 and M16 have varying differences, they’re still unique.
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No, really, they’re not. Same turret, same chassis, and Russia doesn’t need it. We seriously do not need the M16 is another nation. Taking unique American vehicles and putting them in other nations is a horrible trend that has been going on in recent years.
Eh, I can see your point but I believe that every vehicle with some degree of uniqueness to it should be added. While pretty minor, the M17 still falls into this category, and thus I think it should be represented. Although, I honestly wouldn’t mind seeing it as a Polish SPAA, if the USSR AA line is too crowded.
Besides, the M45 quadmount is a very popular system, and there are plenty more examples of it that Gaijin will inevitably add in the future to flesh out other trees/subtrees, so I would not bother trying to protest it all too hard.
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Atleast the M45 actually patches an SPAA gap in Italy, and to a degree, france. If a vehicle is not unique, and doesn’t patch a gap, it shouldn’t be added. It’s not only a waste of the dev team’s time, but it makes the tech trees less unique.
We don’t need the M17 anytime soon, but if the devs do consider it perhaps it will work better as a premium, out of the way but ready if someone is looking for an AA with a greater fire rate than what we already have.
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I think 2.7 Russia should stay with the 25mm. Every nation should have some weaknesses.
they should have weaknesses where they cant have anything added, this isn’t one of them.
This vehicle was common among the Soviet troops during the mid-late stages of the war.
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No, they should have the 25mm and that’s it. It’s already a powerful vehicle, and Russia by no means needs the M17.
I’d like to see each nation perform to their fullest with equipment unique to their faction. If some of said unique equipment happens to be export from another nation, then so be it. I am not asking for Churchills, Shermans, Chaffees, and other foreign vehicles that can already be found in their respective nations.
But the M17 is an AA that was only ever sold to the USSR (Poland was gifted them later but they were not an originally intended recipient of the 1000 made). It has some light differences that will make it slightly worse than the American version, but with some new Soviet decals and camos I think it will fit in just fine as a rare example of a Soviet-exclusive export vehicle from the U.S.
This decal from 1945 for example, would be interesting and help bring some personality to the vehicle. The text on the left says “For Stalin!” and on the right says “For the complete defeat of the enemy.”.
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This is legitimately one of the saddest attempts at a personal attack I’ve seen on WT’s forums.
It’s not an attack, I was making a harmless joke.
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One of the main differences not yet noted is that the M16 on the M3 h/track had face hardened armour, whereas the M17 based on the M-5 h/track had homogeneous rolled armour - which apparently gave appreciably less protection even though a little thicker.
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I’m actually editing it right now with information that I left out, thank you.
this goes for all my new suggestions.
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there are enough russian aa system, and there are still domestic designs to be implemented. No need for another 50cal slinger. Maybe as a premium, but it would need the m45 mount to go alongside the su-57.
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The M17 does have the M45 mount though, which makes it 2.7, same as the M16. And the SU-57 at 2.3 is also quite capable of punching well above its BR bracket, so a lineup with the M17 would still be perfectly capable.
yes, but it would then need to be premium, like all lend lease vehicles for russia.