M113 APC (12.7mm) the funny little floating box from Vietnam!

Please note:

[center]The M113 already has a fully functional model in-game and is only missing a few minor internal (x-ray/damage model) details. Implementing it in the game would require significantly less work than most other vehicles. However, it is not researchable, unlockable, or playable in the current unmodified game. See this video for more information on that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZLbfznysnQ&ab_channel=Zenturion7[/center]


THE M113 APC


HISTORY AND STATS

The M113 came about when the US decided that it was in need of a new APC to replace its old M2 and M3 half-tracks from World War II. They went through several prototypes and testing designs, but the one that finally stuck was the M113.

The M113 APC is an armored personnel carrier that was manufactured by the Food Machinery Corp. and was first used by the US Army in 1960, It was designed to transport troops, supplies, and wounded to and from the battlefield while being fully protected from small arms fire and shrapnel. The M113 was also amphibious (in non-ocean waters) and was capable of crossing calm bodies of water on its own at a speed of 3.5 mph (5.6 kph) in much the same way that the LVT did during the Second World War. It was also designed to be capable of mounting the BGM-71 tow launcher on the commander’s cupola. The M113 is also one of the most produced APCs in history, with at least 80,000 built. The M113 could be operated with a minimum of two crew, but four were more common.

The M113 APC is not a slow vehicle by any means. It can reach a top speed of 40 mph (64 kph) thanks to its 209-horsepower Chrysler 75M gasoline engine, when compared to its weight of 11 tons, and it has very good acceleration because of that. However, it does suffer from a lack of power, meaning it has difficulty climbing up steep slopes, and it is very slow when traveling uphill. And in later variants, this only improved due to them receiving upgraded engines.

The M113 saw combat in many wars, the most notable being Vietnam, where it was used to move troops and supplies and was even modified to be used as a light assault vehicle in some cases. However, it has been used in almost every major conflict that the US has been involved in since its introduction; however, in most conflicts, it was used as a support vehicle, and the .50 was mainly just for self-defense.

In later years, the m113 was upgraded to have NBC protection (Nuclear Biological Contaminants) that allowed it to operate even in an area that was covered in some sort of hazardous material. The M113 is currently being phased out of service with the US Army. However, many other countries and police forces still use the M113. The M113, over the years, has not changed much in terms of its design; it has remained largely unchanged and has, for the most part, just received updated equipment and systems. In 2007 the US stopped purchasing the M113.

Armor

(Rolled 5083/5086 H32 aircraft grade aluminum armor)
Front: 38mm
Sides: 44-38mm
Rear: 38mm
Top: 38mm
Bottom: 28mm

Stats

Top speed: 40 mph
Top speed in water: 3.5 mph
Crew: 2 or 4
Guns: 1x M2HB (12.7mm) (possibly the BGM-71 TOW)


BASE WEPONRY

The M113 was, by default, armed with a single 12.7mm M2HB machine gun. The machine gun was operated by the commander/gunner and was capable of carrying at least 1000 rounds of ammo. The M2HB needs a little introduction as it is one of the most famous and widely used heavy machine guns in the world, and it has been used since before the Second World War.
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The .50 M2HB has a maximum penetration of 31mm at 10 meters, and it has a fire rate of 400-500 rounds per minute. The M2HB is not a light weapon; it weighs 84 lbs and cannot be fired by a person on its own due to its weight and recoil. The M2HB on the M113 was mounted on the commander’s hatch and was able to rotate all the way around. It was also capable of being fired 58 degrees upwards and 21 degrees downwards; all rotation of the MG was done manually.

Please Note: The M113 is built to be able to mount the BGM-71 tow launcher, so it’s completely viable that it be available as an optional weapon.


HOW I PROPOSE IT COULD BE ADDED

While it may seem like the M113 would serve no purpose in the game, you would be right; it does not offer much to the game in any way, and is more of just an interesting and iconic vehicle to add to the game. That is why I propose that it be added in the same way as a few other vehicles are, as a vehicle that is unlocked upon the purchase of another vehicle at a certain rank. For example, I will use the OS2U-1; in order to unlock the aircraft, you must reach rank 2 in any US naval tree, and after that, it’s unlocked for the player to purchase. This feature is also seen in the ground tech trees of Japan and France.


THE M113’s PLACE IN WAR THUNDER:

The M113 is kind of useless with only the .50, however it is such a versatile platform and could perform many jobs and that’s where I see it shining, perhaps it could be used to drop off infantry (if it were added), maybe it could resupply ammo to your teammates, maybe it could just be able to scout targets rapidly, or even maybe it could get access to a removable BGM-71 launcher. There are just so many jobs that it could fulfill, and that’s the beauty of it. And Anything can be suggested as long as it has a gun, so why not!


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Sources

M113 (Armored Personnel Carrier) - The Army Historical Foundation
https://www.usord.com/content/docs/manuals/usord_m2hb_op-manual.pdf
APC M113 (multiple sources listed here)
M2HB (12.7 mm) - War Thunder Wiki
https://www.gd-ots.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/M2HB-50-Caliber-Heavy-Machine-Gun.pdf
https://www.military-references.com/wp-content/uploads/books/tracked_vehicles/usa/m113/M113A1_Operator_s_Manual_TM-9-2300-257-10_1978.pdf
T113E1 and E2 (Development of the M113) - Tank Encyclopedia

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It doesn’t fit the WT meta. It would be a weak 1.0 vehicle and become another “time machine” facing pre WWII vehicles.
It should remain what it is in the game, an AI target.

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Who cares about meta when it’s just supposed to be something interesting to use? And nobody said that it had to be 1.0.

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Because there an’t a 0.5 BR (yet).

I’ll do you one better, a jeep with a guy sticking his hand out with a 1911!

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Merica

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Get it 7.0 with 50sp & scout. The CAS starter lol

I mean, it would make sense to give it scouting, perhaps that could be its thing, give it rapid scouting abilities or something. Would ultimately be up to the devs with stuff like that though, also it did actually originate from ww2 vehicles like the m3 half-tracks

Yeah nothing says 1930s and early 1940s starter vehicles like an m113…

+1. It would be absolutely useless as an SPAA with the ~20° of elevation but I think it would be great.

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Gaijin has consistently stated they will not give Tier I vehicles scouting for… reasons.

There are still lots of M113 based vehicles that aren’t in the game. The Aussie FSV with the 76mm Saladin turret, various 20mm MICV derivatives, etc. There is no reason at all to shoehorn this into the game.

Actually didn’t. It has nothing at all in common with half-tracks other than mission of carting people and stuff around. There was even a full track APC in between them, the M59.

It’s an APC is it not? Also, I hope you realize the M59 is literally the M113’s dad, and to reiterate:

You’re basing your statements on whether it’s useful or not, well, duh, it’s not gonna be. It’s just meant to be something to have fun with and to get as a collectible, same as the OS2U. The whole idea of it is that it’s just something interesting to use, and it looks cool, nothing more.

You bring absurdium to the table by merely relying on this 1.0 statement you made before…

It’s not that weak, and your drive to make out that it is makes it clear you’re only being a dip about this suggestion.

It can easily be made a light tank, given scouting and be a decent addition. It doesn’t need to be rank 1, or 1.0/0.5 as you put it.

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Because it carries a 20mm cannon…

+1 for the funny box.

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Personally I disagree with the .50cal variant, However I wouldn’t mind seeing it anyways as more M113 variants would be nice considering there is a version of the M113 with the M47 Dragon that could be added.
Main issues I see are it being something like the M1A1, not the MBT but the light tank that’s at 1.0 that has similar armaments. Which means there is already something like it in the game.

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It can come when infantry is added, but right now .50 as main gun is not good and will be place at 1.0

Yeah honestly I see it more as just something to be used for the fun of it and that’s why I suggested it be added as something to unlock once you reach a certain rank (plus it can float and that’s one of the main reasons I suggested this one specifically since anything heavier wouldn’t be given its ability to float), but other than that It could very easily have its model reused to add more m113 varients to the game. But to go along with what @Make_a_wish_kid said, yeah, if infantry gets added, it would be perfect for that, since that’s its job.

that’s a fair point, but the m1a1 cant float :)

Perhaps it could even be used as a resupply vehicle so that it can resupply ammo to your teammates. Also, I think it would be more suitable at 2.0-3.0 if it gets any of those abilities, and also because it can still kill things like light tanks if it gets the drop on them. But yeah, it’s useless. I know it’s why I suggested it be added the way I did, so that it doesn’t force someone to research it to progress.
And for all we know, if it’s added, it could be given access to all its historical weaponry as modifications:

Recoilless cannons? Sure, BGM-71 Tow launcher? Duh, that was an important part of its requirements, just the .50? Sure, the options are limitless with this since it’s just the base variant.

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M113 with a .50 as a main is a no for me aswell due to the battlerating it would sit at and the general use for it.

But i would love to see a lot of other M113 variants with better weapons such as small to medium cannons or recoilles rifles tho.

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