Lower BR for Chieftain Mk 3 and Mk 5

Machinery of War Discussion Ground Vehicle
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The problem in game is compresion and it’s tendency to frustrate players into buying premium br lineup where you basically get ‘‘preferential matchmaking’’ just by shire amount of premium players and you are bound to get many downtiers because many prem 10.0 vehicles for example

That’s why they are careful about decompresing things because it makes them money.

It’s not just the Chieftain problem that we have it’s basically every non premium tank that happens to be near premium battle rating spam and so on.

Look at t64a it has no laser range finder, no thermal, no reverse speed etc…

But look what premiums you have at 9.3 that is same br as this thing. Just totally obsolete that poor t72 that I like to play on occasion because I’m a masohist.

But if you put it lower than 9.3 it starts to wreck things even more so than the Chieftain which really isn’t special tank that much, there are many many more cases where as I said compression due to forcing you to buy premium happens trough whole game sadly.

Whoever plays 9.0 and 9.3 you are just constantly trown into 10.0 and 10.3 games due to premium spam.

Thats designed on purpose. We have just so many players that we could easily decompress the b.r to something like 14.0 or even more.

I get into matches after 3 seconds clicking on ready button. What’s gonna happen if I wait for 5 seconds more let’s say?

But then those premiums won’t be so favorable because basically we the players made ‘‘preferential matchmaking’’ just by buying so much premium tanks that they are the most played vehicles anyway at top tier because we and Gajin know that ain’t nobody grinding for free to get to top tier modern vehicles or Abrams, T72’s anyway. That’s designed on purpose, even though it may seem sneaky it’s very manipulative.

So basically what I wanted to say, this is the sole problem. Basically most of the vehicles that aren’t premium suffer from compression and just from stupid amount of premium stuff that you see in game.

Basically we have hundreds and thousands of vehicles in game and that is just a gimmick and a sale point and not a reality. Because on many br’s due to premiums it feels like this game has only something like 50 vehicles because that’s the only things you see in game and everything else is a rare unicorn to see.

10.0 all the time even if you are in 9.3 tanks or let’s say 9.0. this is what you see every game …2S38, TURMST. SU25K, CV90105, ZTZ96A(P),LEOPARD2PNZBTLASLADL, T80UD,BMP2M,M1KVT,WOLFPACK, … and that is REALL variety of war thunder… Also trow in a couple of rare tanks that you can buy for 200 dollars or more, earn trough working like it’s your daily job etc…

these vehicles are basically played by 80% of community at these br’s. And that sucks badly and gets really tedious and boring after a while especially since we are playing the same boring map festival that got even more crowded and cramped.

The problem is all mighty compression but they wont do it because it’s not a viable for profit.

They should never brought this many premiums in game because now the game is just becoming more and more pay to play and really well made hidden pay to win model that basically players forcefully made and Gajin planed that.

Yeah we made preferential mm just by so many premium stuff bought my us and that just destroys free to play players and benefits only Gajin.

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This just isn’t true.

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The uptiers are rough but as a whole the Mk 3 and 5 are in the best place they’ve been since they were first added

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The funny thing is that 11.0 is pretty good because you get downtiered to 10.0/10.3 quite often too, due to the shear number of 10.0 / 10.3 premiums. And this is exacerbated by the premium Type 90 and Merkavas too.

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I could agree with the Mk 3 but not the Mk 5.

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No the mk3 shouldnt go down.
Dont re compress shit at all, its fine at 8.7

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I’ve found out that Chieftain Mk 3 is a modification of previous Chieftain that was equipped with termal vision and laser rangefinder, and Mk 5 modification of Mk 3 with more powerfull engine. Maybe, if gaijins updates them, Chieftains will be more comfortable tanks on 8.7!

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Huh? Mk 11 has TOGS which is the thermals. Mk 3 can get a LRF, but that’s a different variant. Mk 5 was the first tank in the world with a LRF. It’s been bug reported and accepted. We’re just waiting for it to be implemented.

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Ok, my fault. That was the bad source. But what about the LRF I was wait it so long…

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Whats it been now? Over a year.

So many trees especially minor ones are left.half done.

Look at the leclercs not even got the F2 dart.

The list of bug reports is absolutely gigantic and gaijin just implement more copy paste stuff, benelux, the new thai tree. Didnt even try use the T4 instead of the alpha jet.
Or mitsubishi F2.

France how to balance it ? Add a leopard 2a6.
Italy? 2a7
See the trend

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I’ve got reports over 7 years old.

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exactly man, accepted, acknowledged, and then ignored even when its accepted.

7 years is too damn long

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I get that it takes time to fix things, but yeah, when it hits 1-2 years old, it should move to the top of the pile. Still waiting for napalm for the Sea-Vixen and Buc, those were reported on the old forum with the old bug report system

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You don’t understand though. All the resources are put into researching meticulous details of some obsure soviet prototype.

You expect them to do that and look after other nations? Preposterous.

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Yeah and unfortunately it’s not just Gaijin that shares that sentiment. I have seen a few times people comment things like “but no one plays that aircraft so why should they invest any time into it. It’s better to fix [something US or USSR] because more people do play it”

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if the community lost the attitude of " I want what I use made perfed, n sod the rest" then the game would be in a far, far better place IMHO

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doomed forever to be lost to the void then i suppose.
whats the excuse though, they arent designed or making new vehicles models that often, at all. most of the new stuff isnt even new its just copy and paste, some of it literally is copy and pasted right into other nations. E.g ftench leos

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Both should honestly go to 8.3 at least, no way they are higher than T-55A which has pretty much better everything except armour, but lets be honest, the apfsds and heat-fs completely negate any armour chieftain has. Let alone being at same br as T-55AMD.

Tho this issue wont be fixed until goyjin gets some sense and lowers max uptier/downtier to one step above or below instead of full br.

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Are you kiddin man? xD the chieftains are fantastic at 8.7, put them down to 8.3 and watch them compress an entire BR bracket…

the T55 is marginally faster than the Mk5 chieftain, only only 7KMPH faster than the mk3, while it is more mobile and smaller, it has a substantially worse round, substantially worse armour and has a similar reload. well aced they have the same 7.5 seconds

The MK5 got a report to get the LRF for it, and technically L15A5 should be an APDS it can access
(if they bothered to model it right but RN its just a C&P L15A3)

This I could get behind though, it would solve a plethora of issues without having to rely on gaijin to rework BRs constantly

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its still underperforming by a significant amount

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