Leopards w/ spall liners are way too op

of course, but russians are already criyng like stupid imagine their complains if we got those

we should have profen the contrarary now, gotta wait for the next gajin response

engaging low flying targets does not mean IRST or have anything to do with it.

What it had yes were the smoke launchers and HOT missles

yes that would be the truth

I don’t know it take too long for them to response I wonder they still on new year holidays?

fck the IRST then. i just want it to lock some helis, low flying planes and their Missiles as it has a Naval gun on it. it annoys me that my team gets killed by those brainless point and launch Ka52 and 50 c*nts i hate them sooo much bro

Apparently orthodox christians celebrate a slightly different christmas that lasts longer or something.

I’m nof 100% sure though as I’m not too familiar with stuff like that. But don’t expect much for this first half of January.

if it’s a one shot, one kill then sure :^)

Don’t mind it if they start to fix and buff the other first especially Leclerc and Abrams two of my favorite tanks

Leopard 2A7V::

  • Adds spall liners that are only relevant to side shots (more specifically, bad sideshots)
  • Adds thin strip of improved armor on the hull front (apparently with the worlds strongest magnets inside cuz its the only thing russian mains shoot)
  • decreases the armor everywhere else on the tank compared to a 2A5 (cuz gaijin thinks theyre funny and nobody will notice)
  • Adds gen 3 thermals (something most other nations have had for over 1 year on their top MBTs)
  • Lower top speed AND acceleration (because gaijin knows its geared to have a 2A4’s acceleration but “doesn’t know the gear ratio” so they refuse to fix it)

Entire WT community: forgets how to fight/kill leopard 2’s

Y’all have been fighting Strv122’s for over 2 years and the 2A7V is (armor wise) considerably weaker, yet somehow you guys are having issues? xD

and btw, the weakspots are the same at 0m as they are at 2km, and thats for 3BM60, one of the lower penning top tier rounds…

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maybe because they don’t see Strv122 much compared to leopard2 since Swedish still playing by few
but now, they are increasing because why not? it better than Germany (now even CAS are better) people who playing Germany will switch to Sweden sooner or later and i can tell you it gonna be more hellish than German if that happen because HA HA we have 3 of them and Gripen as CAS who need brick ass Tornado?

Yeah, sweden is a country mile better than germany in-game

  • Better MBT’s on average (Strv122’s are all functionally better in every way to all tanks germany has except the 2A7V which has gen 3 thermals for gunny, the only thing it has over the swedish tanks)
  • Better light tank (CV90120 vs TAM 2C)
  • Better IFV’s (Literally any CV9040 vs Puma/Begleitpanzer 57)
  • Better SAM (Crotale vs Flarakrad)
  • Better CAS (JAS39 Gripen vs Tornado IDS/F-4F)
  • Better CAP (JAS39 Gripen vs MiG-29G)
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Its hilarous how badly its modeled
i mean look at this

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Gaijin modelling their 2A7V (from 2016) on a 2A5 upgrade package and B-tech internal armor (from the early 90’s) that was never used for any tank in service:
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It “seems” illogical because it IS illogical. absolute clowns

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heh “Seem illogical” my a*s almost three decades newer more heavier with less armor they think KMW engineer are stupid or something? that make thing heavier but weaker.

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This.

Sweden didn’t make up most of the team back then and still doesn’t.

The 2A7V is 10x better than most of the other 11.7 MBTs and the 122B+ is even better.

When the majority of the enemy is rocking tanks that far outclass your own than of course it will be an uphill fight.

Lol, MASSIVE over exaggeration, and arguably debatable if its even particularly “better” to boot. The 2A7V is good, its not particularly special, nor is it even particularly different to fight compared to a 2A5.

Functionally, the only “big” change on the 2A7V is going from gen 1 gunner thermals to gen 3 gunner thermals, that doesnt suddenly make it some kind of god tank like you try to pretend.

The only thing I could say really puts the 2A7V over the M1A2’s for example is the fact it has marginally better armor. The difference in firepower, optics, and crew layout/ survivability is negligible.

To compare it to some other top tier tanks:

  • The M1A2’s are more mobile, has a better reload, and has access to .50 cal (underrated)
  • The T-90M has better armor and better survivability, along with a .50cal
  • The T80BVM has better armor, better survivability (courtesy of gaijins funtastic spall modelling for Russian MBT’s), and is faster in forward direction
  • The Type 10 has a 33% faster reload and a .50 cal, along with being VASTLY more mobile
  • Merk 4M is more mobile, has .50cal, and has APS
  • etc…

The list above isnt to say each of those tanks is necessarily better than the 2A7V, most aren’t, but they also arent that far off either, and have their own advantages they can leverage.

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This sounds mostly like an aiming issue if you think rhat the M1A2 and 2A7V have comparable survivability.

I have both the SEPv2 and the 2A7V and the difference is massive. It’s super easy to one shot frontally no matter if hull down.

Hell the reload is nice, but as soon as someone looks at you your loader is usually gone if you are lucky enough to be alive.

Mobility wise it is a bit better, but honestly somewhat arguably negligible.

The Leo 2 series are easier to one shot tho lmao.

The 2A7V has the obvious 1 shot kill spot on the hull (driver/gunner/commander) and its been made easier to kill reliably on the 2A7V because gaijin somehow screwed up so badly, the add-on armor on the hull roof makes rounds LESS likely to bounce (an issue it shares with the PSO, but NOT the Strv122’s)

The Leopard 2’s are also some of the rare tanks in-game that have an additional spall modifier for their mantlets, meaning mantlet shots commonly nuke the turret. The turret itself is also just riddled with armor holes and sections of composite armor with inferior KE modifiers to increase the size of weakspots on the Leopards 2’s artificially.

Saying the M1’s have less survivability than a Leo 2 is laughable.

Less armor? Yes, but not by a ton.
Less survivability? No lol, unless you’re side on in a 2A7V vs a bad play firing center mass of the hull and he goes on reddit or the WT forums to cry about how “OP” spall liners are because he couldnt be bothered to just shoot the side of the turret instead

You’re just adding credibility to the fact that theres a massive skill issue going on rn leading to these high winrates, which quite frankly is no surprise when the Americans are getting flooded by 9 y/o’s using their little sisters chemo money to buy a 70$ M1A1 click-bait and play top tier, and the russian players are just… generally awful at this game from years of handholding

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It would comparable but one big difference is 2A7V has spall liner Abrams don’t which I don’t believe US tankers only relies on body armor alone and I don’t know gaijin will add DU armor at this point but at least spall liner is must

The spall liner of the 2A7V doesnt cover the hull front where the crew is. Theres a square of it in-front of the loaders legs, but if your round is hitting that bit of spall liner, its hitting the loader, so its irrelevant.

The spall liner is only relevant on the Leo 2A7V with side shots, and im sorry, but if you’re having issues with a side on tank just because you have to aim for the crew or components a bit better, the spall liner is the least of your issues

You have ALL the advantages in a side on shot, wtf are you struggling for?

And not to mention that the spall liners in game disappear after an impact. Because, why not. Meanwhile IRL, the own composition of the spall liners ensures that they do not lose their durability and protection after some shots so…

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  • Maybe because they don’t want the tank can survive multiple shot where the “spall” can’t not hit the crew.
  • Imagine shooting any tank with the “indestructable spall liner”, that gonna be a chaos for top-tier and every 10 minutes gonna be 1 more thread called “x tanks can’t not be kill or getting spalling”.