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Greek Leopard 2 in Israel as subtree vehicle?
Please I don’t want my only option to be the Merkava
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Personally -1 I don’t see a way where it could be balanced fairly with such lackluster firepower
40 were built by KMW the other 130 were built in Greece
3BM42 and DM23 can easily pen it in the lfp and the turret ring, and with the DM63 if gaijin gives it it will be fine at 11.7-12.0, and it has a ready rack of 6 shots
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I still disagree with you personally yes the lfp is weak (like literally every tank) there’s so many advantages to the armour
at 12.0 the Americans have the M829A2, Germany has the KE-W, Russia has 3BM46, the brits have DM53, all this rounds see all the time the strv122B+ that has the same armor as the HEL and they have no problem killing it, maybe some times the fuel tank or spall liner eat a shot but 95% they kill it, and in a full down tier (that 12.0 dosent see a lot of times) only 2 MBTs have bad shells ( the pakistani T-80UD and the PT-16 that both of them aren’t common) all other MBTs have shells with 550mm+ pen (except the Japanese that have a 4sec autoloader) and with the turret basket one shot in the lfp is almost a dead tank. also after the 6 shots how long will take to replenish the rounds 3 minutes? you will be out of ammo in 1minute of firing
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I didn’t know it is so expensive, those companies are greedy, but maybe there is any logical justification for such price.
Interesting that they still wanted even stronger engine, 1500 is already very impressive.
And now I am impressed, Greece visibly don’t struggle financially as much as i thought after reading about Leonidas and other IFV (all rejected or with unfinished upgrade).
I have questions, do you know where is its ammunition, does next to first stowage is another one bigger or really turret has under blow up panel only 6 rounds, they had to do something with so much freed space in turret (much less ammo + smaller caliber one)? Does total number of ammunition is smaller or it has more ammunition stored/more space for it in hull? And do you know what is reload time after emptying first choice ammo rack? I don’t know much about leopard 2. Reload time obviously can be modified by gajing for balancing reasons.
we are talking about DM53 + all other modern 120mm shells they arent cheap
nope its worse than you thing
the storage next to the driver will be full
thats up to gaijin, some tanks takes 20sec just for 1 shell
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smol pp leo. Yes that’s my comment. More seriously, wouldn’t this leo have a faster reload than the classic l7 reload due to the bigger turret and setting?
The MTU883 is less common more expensive requires more cooling (extended leopard hull) and is less fuel efficient it makes perfect same they didn’t want it. It makes no logical sense to add the engine
Modern apfsds are incredibly advanced with decades of development using rare minerals and cost to produce them. Its expensive to make
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also far more expensive than Greece could afford
I mentioned that
sorry my edited message didn’t load up for some reason
+1. I think this could fit somewhere in the Israeli tech tree.
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This is gonna be a KV-8 situation isn’t it? Too good armor, too bad gun, ppl will always find a reason To complain. +1 lol
With DM63 the gun won’t be so bad and it has a 6 shot ready rack so I don’t think it will be broken
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I wouldn’t say its the quite same situation. The 105 mm is still adequate when given newer ammunition.
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Looks good! Hopefully comes next update with a full greek subtree to fill out that fifth line for israel. Although, gaijin said cyprus is coming too…I wonder where they’ll put those T-80U/UKs…
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As I said in another topic:
I know its technically limited to 6 shells rack only but for balance reasons we could increase that number I think.
yea if it gets the standar Leopard 2 number its 12.0-12.3 material
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