mind pointing it out?
MSC doesn’t use DM43, again…
You initially fought me on the DM43 part to begin with, simply because I tried to inform you that you were incorrect. You have done this before as well.
I am aware that polls cannot be changed by your own ability, but this vehicle cannot be at these BR ranges. It is physically impossible and will never be entered as such. DM43 on a 2A4 at 11.0 at the highest recommendation you gave is batshit insane.
Sure, maybe I am being harsh, but that is the only way I can describe how bad a position you have chosen for this vehicle.
im waiting.
ill fix the post just tell me where
About DM43 misinformation across your post, which includes your official statements that have not been adjusted.
About the BR of your suggestion, explicitly. It needs to be revised. Ask Gaijin for assistance, I’m sure they can do so.
The only reason anyone voted 10.7 or 11.0 is that you failed to inform them of how potent DM43 actually is. DM43 hasn’t been in the German Tech Tree, or explicitly referred to as DM43, since the PL lost it, and the 2A5 even earlier.
only thing i have missed is DM43 specs
its a suggestion, in the end its not about my or your view, rather the gaijin devs and the community’s view that takes precedence
all i can do it add an info bit which i will see above DM43 specs
hi, can i ask for the BR poll to be adjusted to 11.0 to 11.7
You also failed to properly inform people that a DM33 fired from an L/55 is also too much for 10.7 and 11.0 when fired from a Leopard platform.
Either route you take here doesn’t work, which is why you should always put more than two Battleratings in a suggestion. If it had DM33 with an L/55, it could easily fit 11.3. DM43 would easily make the vehicle stand on its own even at 12.0. You’d essentially just have the Merkava Siman 4’s armor 0.7 BR lower with its stock dart.
The suggestions are made for a reason. Without proper information, brackets, and player feedback, it won’t be considered by Gaijin at all. You potentially doomed your own suggestion.
I particularly take issue because I like this vehicle and want it added. Please do it justice.
496 isnt too much for 11.0
couldve started with that eh?
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ZTZ99-II | War Thunder Wiki
both have 576mm pen at 11.0, good armour, mobility n sensors -
T-72B3 | War Thunder Wiki
has 580mm pen at 11.3 (better armour too) -
T-72B3 "Arena" | War Thunder Wiki
same but at 11.0 -
IPM1 | War Thunder Wiki
522mm pen at 11.3
so in my defence, i did do cross examination of similar vehicles.
It is on a Leopard 2A4. You’d make the Ariete even more useless since that’s its only advantage over the 2A4 in that BR range.
I did try to warn you that DM43 was too much as my first message, though.
Many disadvantages such as relatively long reload, low crew count, and it can die to a bushmaster through its lower plate. The Leopard is much more mobile, has more consistent armor, and a better reload.
The T-72B3 being at 11.3 is absurd. It was already good at 11.7, I don’t know why it went down.
The T-90A is relatively sluggish in both mobility and gun handling. It isn’t particularly strong at 11.0, and it also lacks a lineup. From using both, I can say the 2A4 at 10.7 is much more consistent overall.
A decent argument, actually, which is why I suggested DM33 on this Leopard could be at 11.3
just goes to show there is a world where SVT at 11.0 with DM43 is not something absurd
Leopard 2A4 at 10.7 uses DM23. 408mm penetration is somewhat low for 10.7, but the Leopard still stands as a good vehicle.
The Leopard 2A4 SVT in this hypothetical would have the Leclerc’s top-tier APFSDS at a BR of 11.0 on a better barrel length. DM43 fired from an L/55 would scrape just under 600mm of penetration on a 6-second aced reload at 11.0.
Note that this image is using an L/52 cannon.
often quoted as “the most balanced vehicle”
which vehicle btw
ye but as i said above, many tanks have the same kind of ammo to BR ratio
As it should be.
All 12.7 BR Leclercs share the same top APFSDS round.
Other factors matter. The Leopard isn’t slow like the T-90A or relatively unprotected like the ZTZ-99. The Leopard 2A4 is a good 10.7, so giving it a gun that outclasses a 12.7 Leclerc at 11.0 is absurd.
i meant which vehicle has an L44 firing OFL 120 F1?
or did u mean a license produced gun?
leo 2a4s cheeks arent even that good yk, and mobility is comparable to ztz
FYI DM43 & OFL 120 F1 are the same round. It’s a joint venture between France & Germany, simply with a different designation.
Leclerc’s penetration is higher thanks to it using L/52 instead of Leopard 2A4/5’s L/44.
ye ik but i didnt know which lekek uses L44 or l55, there is no l52 btw. lekek uses CN120-26 F1
Here, when the leopard 2 PL used to have dm43
ah i c, but this is 2pl not lekek
Fixed, this also means old votes have been deleted though ^^
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ig thats a fair trade off
thank you for the help
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